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Old 01-07-2003, 02:10 PM
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Battery Basics 101

There's been quite a lot of Forum traffic with questions pertaining to Batteries, so let's try and makes some sense of it all...

In this thread we're going to touch on the following subjects:
- Bit Battery Dimensions
- Nicad vs. NiMH
- Voltage & Amperage
- Charging

-Bit Battery Dimensions
The stock Bit Char-G/Microsizer battery is a 1/3AAA scale, 50mAH Nicad battery. One of the most common upgrades for the Bits is a higher capacity NiMH battery (like a 1.2v 150mAH NiMH battery).

The '1/3AAA scale' size is very misleading because that is NOT an industry standardized size and that means there can be a significant variation in actual physical dimensions between one manufacturers 1/3AAA size vs. another. The best way to shop for an upgraded battery is to go by physical dimensions...In order to fit (without modification) into a Bit chassis, the size has to be '10mm Diameter x 16mm Height' (or smaller). This is IMPORTANT to note because there has been some talk about a company that offers a 210mAH 1/3AAA size battery...But it has a height of something like 21mm (which is too big to fit a Bit).

- Nicad vs. NiMH
IMO, go with the NiMH batteries. They have higher capacity, no toxic chemicals, and prices are relatively cheap. I won't go into full details about the differences, there's PLENTY enough info out there on the Net about the 2 types and their differences.

Also note that while the stock battery on a Bit Char-G is NiCad, the charger on the remote handles the NiMH batteries without problems.

- Voltage & Amperage
Okay, let's put some sense into what 1.2v and 50mAH means...To simplify things:
~ Voltage(abbreviated as 'v') = Speed
~ Milliamps (abbreviated as 'mA') = Runtime and Torque/Acceleration

The PCB (aka circuit board) of the Bit regulates the Milliamps (aka current) going to the motor, which means having a higher capacity battery (like a 150mAH battery vs. a 50mAH) will make no impact on motor performance except to be able to maintain that regulated current for a longer time (meaning longer runtime between charges). If you were handy/brave enough to tamper with the resistors on the PCB and change how much current was going to the motor, then you’d in turn change how much torque was imposed (think of torque as acceleration).

On the other hand, the PCB does NOT regulate the Voltage to the motor, so putting a higher voltage battery in the Bit will equate to ALL the voltage going to the Motor and in turn the motor will produce more revolutions, faster (in other words, SPEED!).

A term heard often around the Forums is ‘2.4v’ or ‘Dual-Cell’ or ‘Dual-Battery’ Mod…They are talking about taking 2 batteries (make SURE they’re both the same voltage and milliamperage) and connecting them in Series (when connecting multiple batteries in ‘series’ the voltages add together, but no change to the milliamps. If you were to connect the multiple batteries in ‘parallel’, then the opposite is true; the milliamps add together, but the voltage stays the same)…Considering the information above, you know that this 2.4v Mod means lots of SPEED increase right?

- Charging
Here’s the rule of thumb when charging batteries…First, set the voltage as equal as possible to the cell/pack voltage. Then take the capacity of the battery (in milliamps) and divide by the charge rate (in milliamps) and then add 20% and the result is how long (in hours) it will take to fully charge the battery. Let’s take, for example, a 2.4v Dual battery pack with a 150mAH rating. Now, let’s say you had a 2.4v charger that charges at 500mA…[150/500 = .3] then [.3 + 20% = .36] so it would take .36 hours (or a little less than 22 minutes) to fully charge the pack…Roughly

The 20% is a sort of ‘leeway’ given because charging batteries and the chemistries and variations make this NOT an exact science (as a matter of fact some people say to actually add 50% for inefficiencies!)

The stock charger on a Bit puts out 2,500mA at 1.5volts for 45 seconds, per charge cycle. If you do the math in reverse, you’ll see that a single charge only fills a stock battery to about ½ capacity! So doing 2 consecutive charges will produce a SIGNIFICANT increase in runtime!

Alright, I think that should give a decent idea of how it all works with Batteries.

If you have any questions, concerns or corrections, feel free to post.
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:21 PM
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very nice.

again tho ive said this before. they are really cheap and dont get all bent out of shape over not charging enough or charging too much. they cost 2 or 3 dollars(us) and even with heavy wear will last probably 6months.
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:30 PM
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Great summary of a lot of information thats been posted on the boards. That should help clear things up for lots of people.
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:34 PM
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excellent info! thanx alot, you've answered alot of Q's. this thread needs a sticky!!
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Old 01-07-2003, 04:17 PM
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Also thanks for the correct battery dimensions, i was all set to buy a handful of 210mAh ones, I checked the dimensions at they were 21mm height just like you said. Phew!
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Old 01-07-2003, 05:42 PM
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Great post
So if you made a stand alone charger how do you figure out how long a charge should take if your using 3 AA batteries? Or should you not use 3 AAs if you have a 2.4v dual battery with a 150 mAH rating?
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Old 01-07-2003, 06:00 PM
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i got the nkok micro sea explorer for xmas. it comes with a 4aa charger that works with bits.*you gota put the bit on backwards*

plus the boat is pretty cool.
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L3V3L1,

How are you planning on doing that standalone charger? If you're thinking of connecting the wires straight up to the batteries (with no circuitry in the middle to regulate voltage and current) then you're sending 4.5v (if you're using 3 Alkaline AAs) at the highest current that the AA alkalines can chemically put out...Which i'm thinking is in the neighborhood of how the stock charger works on the Bits (so ~2,500mA).

It doesn't matter what voltage you use, the formula stays the same (time for charge is figured by amperage).

Use 2 batteries. While the 3 will work, you'd be sending more voltage than needed and could be detrimental to the batts.
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:09 PM
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great info,

thanx heaps
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Old 01-08-2003, 06:47 PM
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making a 2.4v battery pack

hey is there a special way or putting the batteries together my brother tried to make a battery pack a while back any for some reason when he tried to charge it it didn't work can anyone give exact details on what to do or know what was wrong that could cause the battery charging not to work?

another thing has anyone ever tried to use a plug for their bit battery pack so u can take it out to externally charge it? i was thinking those mini d.s. deans plugs are small enough to fit in the bits right?
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Old 01-08-2003, 07:15 PM
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what sorta ways are there to increasing torque? i have a 2.2 motor and i've had my thunderbolt for a few days. it seems to be slowing down. but it could just be my eyes deceiving me. i've cleaned it and all, oiled it, done pretty much everything to make it slicker. suggestions?
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Old 01-10-2003, 05:28 PM
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I have been looking for this information for SO Long. THX
I am in the process of building a AC bit charger but didn't know the specifics of how a battery being charged worked! So if i used my adjustable voltage at 3v and it has 500 amps it should work fine?

what if i used a 4.5 at 800ma?
(this is on a 2.4 v battery system)
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Old 01-10-2003, 10:45 PM
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Oh my god, the same old damn questions...In answer to every single one of your Qs masterjin, YES.
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Just an update about using AA battery packs as a charger...I now STRONGLY suggest you DON'T do it (for anything more than 2xAA anyway)...Or at the least be VERY careful and keep a CLOSE watch on the battery temperature (of the car) when charging.

Why? Because I took my meter out and measured how much current output a 4xAA pack was putting out as a charger...5amps man! That's 5,000mA!!!

Just to put some perspective on that; Charging a 150mAH battery at 5,000mA is like baking a cake (that's suggested at 375°) at 12,500°!!!

Crispy on the outside, batter on the inside baby.
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Old 02-25-2003, 12:37 AM
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another perspective that's also how much the electric chair uses LOL
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