With China opposing the war.... - Page 3

Stridex · #31 03-20-2003, 11:41 PM

Please calm the name-calling and read the whole thread again. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

If you disagree with my view, that's great. I'm not asking anyone here to boycott the French with me. I'm just giving my view. My view on the micros has changed. It's a lost cause anyway, because of my addiction. My whole point about buying micros from a US company smart-guy, was at least it benefits an American company. Are you saying we shouldn't buy from a US company and just order everything from overseas? That's a great way to help the economy! Here's how buying chinese products from an American company can help our economy. I'm just going to give you the 101. Tell me if you need me to slow down at any time.

Ok...
When you buy a micro from Toys r' Us let's say....You pay a tax. On top of that, Toy R' us makes what we call in the business world a profit that assures American employees can keep their jobs. Then on April 15th, that profit they made has to be claimed by their corporation with their other taxes. Order straight from overseas and none of this happens. Have I got your attention yet? Saving that extra buck buying direct from overseas can affect your friends and family members jobs. I thought It was pretty self explanatory in my other threads. I guess I wasn't

P.S. Your rudeness and name calling will not affect my responses to other posts of yours in the future. I just hope I've seen the last of it in this one. You have to understand that we all have different views and name-calling is a VERY ineffective rebuttal.

chelboed · #32 03-21-2003, 12:24 AM

Sorry bout the name calling, but I just don't get the whole French boycott/micro rc thing. It makes a shred of sense to buy from the US if at all possible. And yes, I am all bout supporting the forum if they can fill my order. Tell me what this has to do with the French, though. I can sense you are passionate about it, and I guess if every single American was just as passionate we would have a stronger economy. I don't get passionate about such things. I am a pushover most of the time. The French would have to spit in my face at least twice before I slap the cheese out of 'em. I know it's just your personal opinion, but I guess we all cross the line sometime when it comes to staying on topic. I think this one has just gone to the extreme.

I won't whine about the condecending remarks you made because I deserve them. I don't expect you to know that I am plenty old enough to know something about the govt. and the economy. I have been a contributor for at least the last 12 years or so, maybe not as long as you, but long enough. Though I don't act like it sometimes, I guess I am old enough to know when to stop beating a dead dog.

I thank you for your future oversite of my remarks, and repectfully bow out.

ph2t · #33 03-21-2003, 08:13 AM

Stridex, I think you need to look at American foriegn polices to the middle east for the last 50 years before starting this boycott froggie campaign. I'm no political analyst, but I know that American policy to these countries (Iraq, Iran, Palestine/Israel) changes almost as quickly as the seasons.

Many Middle-Eastern people are a gentle and peaceful people and usually have a stonger family ties, values and unity than a lot of Western/Christian cultures..

Have you ever been to the middle east? It is a facinating place full of so many different and vibrant experiences that pretty much make western culture seem soiled and violent. Israel is a land of such beauty and is such a Holy land (Christianity / Islam / Bahai' / Judaism we all founded there) it saddens me that both sides (The Isreali Govt/Army and the Palestinian terrorists) cause so much bloodshed in the name of the love of God.

I'm against this War %100, but I am willing to sit on my case in respect for the evidence that Bush & Blair claim they have that proves Iraq's weapons of mass destruction(I only wish they would make this public, we deserve to know). Only tonight on the news did I see the head of the weapsons inspection unit claim that Iraq was using SCUD missles even when they claimed they had destroyed all of them.

I'm an Australian I think it is pathetic of my own prime minister (John HoWARd) to commit approx 3000 (less than 1%!!!) troops to the war effort. This is clearly a political move that only highlights HoWARDs attempts to kiss US arse. What worries me now is Australia has upped its visibilty on the terrorist radar in siding with the US on this issue.

How many of you know what happened in Bali, October 2002?

And you wonder why these middle eastern countries see the US as evil.

Regards,

ph2t.

MythosGR · #34 03-21-2003, 08:23 AM

Well what stridex said really needs a reply...
First why didn't you answered my question?You should boycott the people/country that wants war not the ones that don't want(e.t.c US,Iraq and that's it...)

Then i have a small question...even I don't like the french but...they never did anything bad to America...They never had a war with US so I can't understand what they have done that's it's so bad?Their sovenism(I'm not sure if this is the word in english) is something bad nothing that would need...Boycottage!

LoL and another small question why only in US they call them french fries when in eery other part of the world not!(not even in France!)LoL

ANd my 2 cents...The war is a bad thing. THey reason the war started isn't the bad Sadam but the big problems in the US economy...THe Sadam is bad and done some bad things in both Iraq and Iran but not in any case worse than the Desert Strom,Cosobo and Afganistan...
SO boycott whatever you want but don't say that this helps US economy or tings like that...

And just a simple senario:
What if one of the biggest shareholders of TOMY is US residnet and he gains many millions from various TOMY products and then spend some of these million suporting his US bussines or even helping the war or a Company manufacturing weapons....Who are you going to hurt even if everyone stopped buying bits!!!!(Lol not that's it's possible to do it anyway...)

Sorry for the big post...

ph2t · #35 03-21-2003, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by MythosGR
Well what stridex said really needs a reply...
First why didn't you answered my question?You should boycott the people/country that wants war not the ones that don't want(e.t.c US,Iraq and that's it...)

Mythos, are you saying that the USA don't want war? Then what the hell are they doing in the Gulf?

I think all of you need to read this:

THE UNITED STATES AND THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR

Here's an excerpt:

The main tool by which U.S. policy makers sought to secure their position in Iran in 1985 and 1986 was secretly providing arms and intelligence information. As a proclaimed neutral in the Iran-Iraq war, the United States was not supposed to supply weapons to either side. Nevertheless, U.S. allies kept the combatants well-stocked.<74> Israel transferred vast quantities of U.S.-origin weapons to Iran;<75> to what extent U.S. permission for these shipments was obtained (as required by U.S. law) is not known, but surely the U.S. had enough leverage to prevent the transfers if it had wanted to.
In 1984, because of Iranian battlefield victories and the growing U.S.-Iraqi ties, Washington launched "Operation Staunch," an effort to dry up Iran's sources of arms by pressuring U.S. allies to stop supplying Teheran.<76> U.S. secret arms sales to Iran in 1985 and 1986 thus not only violated U.S. neutrality, but undercut as well what the U.S. was trying to get everyone else to do. The cynical would note that Operation Staunch made the U.S. arms transfers to Iran that much more valuable.

A lot of you believe your govt's propoganda just a bit too much......

MythosGR · #36 03-21-2003, 10:46 AM

Ph2to no I agree with what you said I mean that US wants the war so they are the only to blame(together with Iraq...but that's not exactly true!)

SlowbutCourious · #37 03-21-2003, 11:19 AM

if were boycotin france i cant drink my HENNY

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Stridex · #38 03-21-2003, 11:31 AM

You're not going to change my views and I don't plan on changing yours. Let's end this thread. We can argue our views back n' forth until the Alberta thread looks like a hello message.

Let's just be thankful we're still alive and breathing and pray that the current war is over and won as soon as possible. You can't fault me cos' I'd rather buy an American product over the French'. Well...unless you're French.

Any products I'm currently buying that are Australian, British, Canadian, or Spanish will stay on my shopping list. It's time I show thanks for those that have appreciated our help in the past! If any of you want to support France's stance on the war, then please buy their products. You have as much a right to buy their products as I do to boycott them.

zombiebaby · #39 03-21-2003, 11:52 AM

U r as bad as pres. Bush why couldnt they have worked out a peaceful resilution. Saduum was complying I think it was Bush trying 2 b a war hero so he can get re elected. His father had a resone 2 go over there. Jr. is just holding a grude I hope when elections comes up next year we get a good president like Clinton was. So what he had his **** sucked I bet they all have he was the only 1 2 get caught. LETS VOTE THAT MONEY THURSTY REPUBLICAN OUT OF OFFICE. I bet we all r not rich and the republicans r 4 the rich man look at his new tax cuts they r all 4 the rich man not us normal 9 to 5 workers

MythosGR · #40 03-21-2003, 12:45 PM

well said by zombiebaby...

Not french but (if CNN's decides to show anything to you!) and you see what happened tonight in Iraq and how many missles landed on places that ppl lived you'll then understand why the only thing you should boycott is this ****ing president....
THe god sent war hero mr Bush Jr....

LoL

zombiebaby · #41 03-21-2003, 01:06 PM

and why should we b over there trying 2 change there ways of life they have lived like that 4 thousands of years amd seem content. Mister president want 2 send a american mitilary official over there when we have finished this war 2 run it until the iraqies can get there own demicratic goverment Well why we r at it lets invadeMexico and tell them they cant speak spanish anymore or lets invade Antartica and tell them they cant have ice I'm not muslim but just let the peaple b and I hope all u peaple who r boycotting buying products from nations that want peace maybe u should b with bin laden

Stridex · #42 03-21-2003, 01:46 PM

You need to let the people of Iraq speak before you can tell anyone what they want. They won't beable to freely speak until Saddam and his regime are gone. Once that's taken care, then try to tell me we should have let them be. Iraqi civilians are already tearing down Saddam's portraits in seized cities. I don't think even the Iraqi people want to hear what you have to say. Maybe we should have left Kuwaiti be too when they were being invaded. One thig is for sure!!! We should have left France be when German invaded and seized it in a matter of days. The world would be a better place.

MythosGR · #43 03-21-2003, 04:40 PM

Yes you are right but if you kill them they can't speak so...

And secondly if there wasn't the French you US residents might now be part of England...History lessons that they don't want you to learn...

But you are correct about Germany!

Stridex · #44 03-21-2003, 05:45 PM

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Yes you are right but if you kill them they can't speak so...

Just like what happened in Afghanistan, right? You must think the Afghans are miserable!

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And secondly if there wasn't the French you US residents might now be part of England...History lessons that they don't want you to learn...

HUGE difference!!! We actually decided to fight before they got here. We also had the war pretty much won by the time they got here, but no doubt, their coming helped. At one time, we appreciated that fact. I guess us saving them from Hitler made us even and we no longer owe each other anything. I'm fine with this.

I also love the fact that France voluntarily rounded up 65,000 French jews which were all killed in concentration camps. They not only bent over for Hitler, they self-lubed! They're pansies. Germany and Russia hate the French too, just not as much as they do the USA. Can't wait til' the French need our help again. Knowing us though, we'll probably help them again.

striderpunk · #45 03-21-2003, 09:21 PM

the only reason the french and germans oppose war is that they supplied Iraq with biological weapons