Mini-Z Comparing

[Deity]

the xmod and mini-z should not really even be in comparison, they are apples and oranges. the xmod is great for what it is and the same goes for the mini-z.

EXACTLY

its all about fun people, do what you enjoy, try not **** Sh*t on other peoples fun.

[Shane_882002]

I was wondering which is faster a mini z(stock) or a xmod(stock) and if possible post some pics or video clips
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[the12for12]

hey the best of both worlds; a mid-engine car for the curves and a rear-engine racer for topend

icandigit,
Thomas

[PTink]

Originally posted by Ace25
lets get straight to the point, X-MOD better than Mini-Z, the only thing that a Mini-Z has over an X-MOD is the amount of bodies for them, but with a little trimming and alot of patience, you can fit almost any Mini-Z body on an X-MOD, but you wont be able to buy body kits for it, to put it plain and simple, X-MODS are better than Mini-Z...period.

oh man, just go over to www.minizracer.com and you can start eating your words. to repeat the only things better that i can see with the X mod is the 4WD, the modable bodys and the price. maybe i should just go pick one up over christmas and mod it out to be a cool drift car while my MiniZ can be my dedicated grip car for the races out at the LHS

[3series takumi]

Originally posted by PTink
oh man, just go over to www.minizracer.com and you can start eating your words. to repeat the only things better that i can see with the X mod is the 4WD, the modable bodys and the price. maybe i should just go pick one up over christmas and mod it out to be a cool drift car while my MiniZ can be my dedicated grip car for the races out at the LHS

hah you are a lost soul if you think a radio shack xmod is better than a kyosho... KYOSHO mini-z

[Deep Blue]

In all honesty, the Xmod is a toy, and certainly not a hobby grade RC car like the mini-x/mini-z. The Xmod is best in its field (fun/dollar) and nothing compares. It's customizable (cosmetically), easily accessible, being that it's sold at RS's all over the place, and they're cheap. The mini-X/Z is the best in its field, which is high-qual, long life and strong aftermarket support.

Overall, to bring an Xmod to the quality of a Mini-X/Z on the mass market would take a signifigant jump in price and almost a complete restructuring of the Xmod which, knowing RS, would take months. To bring a miniX/Z to Xmod level would take Kyosho saying "ok..so lets make bodies with interchangable components". That could be done in a day.

Mark my words though, in 6 months from this day (bringing us to 5-8-04) the best handling 1/28th scale RC car will be a MiniX/MiniZ, and the fastest 1/24th scale RC car will be an Xmod. Hell, I'd almost say that today.

[3series takumi]

i think the current speed and handling records go to the abc-dtm series cars. nothin i have seen can beat an SP or X4. of course every dtm-x4 i have ever seen was running some type of 180 style motor with foam tires

[Deep Blue]

I have 2 Xmods that have 180's in them. How fast are the ABC-DTM's going in mph?

[3series takumi]

no clue. they run about the same gear ratio as the xmods but the wheels are bigger, so it covers slighty more ground per turn. they also use hobby grade batteries that have more punch than the aaa's

what 180 motors are you runing, did you have to add FETS or anything, i am lookin to add more speed to the xmod we have

the dtms i have seen were running an hpi micro mod and and teamorion micro elite. the elite is suppose to be slow but my tricked out minix couldnt keep. that will change with the zapped batteries, micro motor, and 3:1 gear ratio ;p

[Deep Blue]

Hm. I may have to take a walk over to the ABCDTM forum and have a look-see.

I didn't have to stack or replace FET's for the FF/FK180's. the HPI stock and HPI modified 45t both fit in without any major headaches at all, seeing that the F?180's drop in without any modifications. In all honesty, the FF180 (stock in a Micro) even at 6v will make for an Xmod that's nearly twice as fast as a stage 2. I tested one of mine (full stock weight with a 5th cell) over 30 feet to make the voyage in 4.21 seconds with a run that was definitely less than straight on low-pile industrial carpet, so I would venture to say 30 feet in 4 seconds flat easily which equates to about 17mph in about half of maximum range. An RS stage 2 Xmod wont hit 17mph over any distance and any amount of time. With an 11t (which the aforementioned test was run with) it would top out in the mid 20mph's at only 7.5v and stock weight.

I've been discussing the 180 family in an Xmod on another Xmod messageboard for about 2 months now and it's since become the unquestionable motor of choice, so I can pretty much give information in an almost archival state if needed. With it installed, it looks like this:


And this:



If you have any questions you can IM me at DeepBlue963.

[Cian]

sorry m8 but thiose pics don't work fo rme...

[Deep Blue]

My image (free) image host is low rent so about 3/4ths of the time the images will show, the other 25% of the time it wont. Check back in a few hours (probably by the time you get this) and they should be visable again.

[byebye]

I have two(2) x-mods, skyline and rsx. In total I spent around 250-300 usd on both cars and 1 of ea set of upgrades. The design quaility of both cars were "awesome" right out of the box and the looks were also "awesome" but the speed was only "good" compared to mini-z OFTB speed. The rsx seemed faster and had a tighter turning radius. Maybe due to the shorter wheel base and possibly better power to weight ratio. I bought all the mods for them except the stage 1 motors. I could drift the skyline like a pro with the awd upgrade and stage two motor. After about a week I had problems. Both cars smoked at the crystal probably due to the fact that I accidentely shorted the antenna lead to maybe the battery or motor leads while doing an upgrade. RS took both cars back but after the second they said that was it. I do commend them on that but the fact that these are upgradable and have to be taken apart so much I would expect RS to have better consumer service and support because these are not your typical RS toys. Ok, so I liked the look and body upgrades along with the performance upgrades. You can setup your vehicle to just about any driving condition except a tight turning motor cross course. As far as testing, I hated the fact that I had to unscrew 8 screws and take the chassis apart for a motor upgrade. I think the car is way to complex for only average performance increases and limited OEM upgrades. With all the upgrades the car handled very well and had better speed then stock. Do expect to hit the walls alot in the beginning especially after a motor upgrade. The car has a servo brake which I think is useless. I hit the wall more times then I can count because of a weak stopping distance. If I could change that I would. X-mods also do not have a very good low speed turning radius. High speed turning is ok and tighter with drifting. RS tires are not as grippy as megatech or stock mini-z tires so it's easier to spin the tires and drift then a mini-z. The body kits give it a mild to wild look and coupled with the headlights it's very life like. I think RS did a great job of creating a product that replicates very detailed looks of actual cars.
The status of my x-mods right now is the rsx chassis is completely dissasembled because of sterring problems probably due to poor QA. The skyline was then converted to the rsx and is running very smooth with the stage 2 8t motor and all upgrades except the AWD. I do not run the AWD because it's too slow to keep up with my mini-z's. X-mods are a good starter car for the new-b to graduate to a better handling and higher speed car. I do however think that they could have made a more user friendly design for the complexity and amount of upgradable parts. I think they hit the nail on the head with the mid mounted positioning of the motor and the awesome suspension designs but again it's alot of work for upgrading, bearings especially. Remember that these cars are mini-z knock offs much like the zz vs. ms/b-c's so RS is going to do there best to give it similar characteristics but with a completely different design. I have to give RS credit because this is a much better and funner r/c product then what they normaly sell.

Mini-z's
I have 2 lxx mini'z $26.00 usd and 3 kyosho Mini-z's $99.00-$110.00 usd. In total I have spent around 500-600 usd for mini-z's and somre parts. Mini-z out of the box are way better....x-mod stock-$50 usd. Mini-z stock- $149.00 usd. The price is well worth it. Fully prop steering great handling awesome speed out of the box which includes the pinions. Notice that including pinions doesn't mean having to buy 4 motors of the same speed with different gearing. Gearing upgrades are very simple and very quick. The radios have awesome features and very good range. The mini-z bodies have excellent detail but upgrading the looks of a mini-z is limited to paint, spoilers and wheels. Body changes with putties and clay's are probably not for the novice and is not an area I have explored. New paint on any r/c can give it a dramatic change body kit or not. As far as upgrades for mini-z there are too many to list and too many manufactureres. The range of upgrades is amazing. Prices are hefty on the wallet. I put together a list for my wifes car, she wants all purple parts from megatech, $411 usd. That's just parts and upgrades. That would definately smoke an x-mod with all their oem upgrades hands down. But is it worth it? You are in a whole new class with mini-z's after you upgrade it. It's smooth steering great power and plethera of bodies and parts make it a great choice for the r/c guy that wants to go down in scale and price and a great choice for the r/c newbie or pro x-modder that wants to explore the mini-z side. Kids better hope parents have lotsa money. LOL.

In closing it's all about preference. I can completely clean and upgrade my mini-z with ease and in less then half the time of an x-mod. My x-mods, with all the upgrades can be tweeked to my hearts desire and not for $411 dollars. If you are budget minded then go with an x-mod. If you are like me, have money and a need for speed go with the mini-z's. I like all of my cars and I'll tell you that my x-mod with all the upgrades can stay with my stock, out of the box un-touched mini-z but after an x-speed motor upgrade and some bearings in my evo VI....... BYEBYE.
My evo VI
http://www.tinyrc.com/forums/showthr...threadid=15475

[arch2b]

byebye,
i think you posted one of the better comparisons as neither review seems overtly biased toward one or the other really.

i do have some disagreements over the quality of the xmod but overall i think you hit the nail on the head. i just got my xmod monday and have only had time to dig into the bag of scews (there are MANY, have a nice size 0 magnetized screwdriver handy) and put the body together. i'll be running it this weekend....

one of the things to note first is the pricing point shows rs is marketing to a much younger crowd than that of the mini-z. i agree in that for the money, the xmod is a great intro in higher quality rc's. right now, they are still very new and therefore the hype surrounding them is just as high, explaining the easliy spotted slanted reviews. i do however think the xmod will be very sucessful and even more so if and when rs rolls out the sponsored racing schedule. afterall, even if your a stout mini-z fan such as myself, you'll love the body kits

[Cian]

Must say that 's a nicely written review there, good to see both sides together, most people tend to have a bias (I know I Do). it does boil down to apples and oranges at the end of the day. looking forward to gewtting mine!