are bits really the king daddy?
 

ok on another forum myself and another user discussed that bits are the end all and be all over any other micro rc.

are bits really that far superior to all clones? dont most clones come with faster motors? i cant imagine a bit handling better than my cyclona. And dont bits tend to only have 10foot range?

the info on z-cars.info the table shows times

Mini R/C Car Performance
Time in Sec.*
Z-Car 4.6
ZipZap 5.2
MicroSizer 3.8
* Time to travel 10 feet
unmodified cyclona with a motor from another clone 2.9

oh ya its got a swapped body from another clone and the antenna is taped to the board.

I dont know i havent realy experienced many cars but I think BCG are the best.

whats the fastest your bits will go 10foot in?

ohw about u buy a bit and find out for yourself ;)(clones come with telescoping antenna giving them more range a bit with that antenna is just great, when i us emy clone controller for y bit the range is unbelievable, u can do that(telescoping antenna) mod at www.questformadness.com. And i thought bits couldnt be better, boy was i wrong

im not gona go out and spend twice as much for something that is not any better than what i already have. most people on this board say that bits are the best because they are the original but cant really back it up with any performance numbers. how fast does a bit with a 3.8 do 10 feet? come on you guys gota have a stopwatch and a tape measure.

I just picked up the clone (Motor Works) from WalMart and have to say I'm very impressed. Handling is the best I've seen (other then the Zips) and the other features blew me away. The rear axle is actually screwed in. Meaning a plastic plate is what holds it in. That means those that like Bits, but hate when their axle keeps slipping out, wouldn't have that problem with these. The rear axle is interchangeable though. The tires are very soft and out of the box, it's the fastest car I've seen. The LXX with the 3.0 held that title until today. This car hums compared to the LXX's rattling. The bodies are fantastic. Little overspray on the windows though. If you don't want the painted ones, they also come clear. I purchased the Truck and SUV. I don't know what type they are, but they're both American cars. And I love clones that come with LEDs. This car had it all. The rims are cheapies and the motor is soldered in, but those are two mods I'd be willing to change for the price of $14. It still doesn't handle near as well as my Zip, so this car will probably become my #1 PCB donor for my ZZ's. I imagine for $14 I just scored one hell of a motor too!

Oh, I almost forgot. It comes with a seperate charging station. I like this cos' it would leave my remote battery life longer keeping my range. I can see it would also be pretty easy to turn it into an AC charging station too. Best clone I've scored to date! Couple more days and my Sharper Image ones should be here.

To a certain extent, for me anyway, it's about perception and name branding.

The Tomy Bit Char-G is the original (magnet steering) Microscale car. Everyone else is pretender to the throne (whether they make an inferior or superior product).

<shrug> it's all good, if you find a kick-butt clone...Go for it.

and the only kick butt clone i have seen is the LXX hogjowlz do you even have an authentic bit char-g? because if you dont...you dont even have a foot to stand on.

Stridex,

I modded a clone motor to swap in and out of my zips and micosizers.

GREAT MOTOR so far.

y dont u guyz, just race 2 settle this!;) . ppl on the bit side vs, the ppl on the clone side:D .

erm im not riding flying or takign a train just to settle this:p i dont even know why people continue clones are just for people who cant afford bits thas honestly what they are for. Im not saying people who have clones are poor, but all a clone is, is like a Saab compared to a mercedes. Saabs are quick but mercedes not only are quick, but they have great handeling. thats that its over just buy a bit like the rest and find out how great they are for yourself, you can buy one for only 14 bucks(shipping not includd) fron toyeast and its the skyline history set, not a bad deal.

Well, after I get done mod'ing any of them, you can't tell what the heck it is. Even I don't know, so....I guess you can say I make my own clones with the help of other clones which I find in the end are superior to all Bits AND clones. My clones aren't bastards, but each one of them would have a hard time telling you who it's daddy was. They consider me the man behind the curtain.

But....
if you really want to know who that daddy is when it comes to sales, it's the Bits. They've sold more then any other car. This includes the sales of Microsizers seeing how it's the same company. Zips just might take that lead after they get faster on their shiptments.


Was it the one from Motor Works from WalMart? I'm really lovin' this car. I honestly can't see paying double for a Bit that may just be just a slight improvement. Now DIGI-q's look to be a great car. I still haven't bought one of those. Mainly cos' the cost will prevent me from ripping it open and mod'ing it. :) I hate leaving things alone.

sometimes speed is not everything. And I'm sure TOMY has a purpose for limiting the range of the BITs in the Japanese market. Zips are selling really fast too in the US. It has an attraction to US car lovers due to the US car bodies that the Bits don't have. But worldwide(overall), TOMY is on the top.

Hi Peeps,,

I really like real Bits, either from Tomy or MS, but the Tomy bodies are more varied. I laugh my @ss off when people start getting all name brand and snobby when it comes to this micro RC hobby. Didn't people get into this because they were "cheap" and really neat? Sure some clones are a waste of plastic, but there are many high quality clones that have better than average quality control. I have bought real Bits from Japan, and these cars were generally good, but I have got a few that were very stubborn and needed the front end twisted (thanks cyborgzero!) in order to steer decently. Now paying 35+ bucks for a Bit from Japan you'd think I'd get a really good one out of the box right? But sometimes things just happen.

Panther and Shen Qi Wei clones are the best out there IMHO (the range is better than LXX) and the cars generally steer even left and right. All parts will interchange with real Bits. The turning radius can be tweaked with different tires (that you'd end up changing on your bit if you're going to race anyways).

Real Tomy and MS and better clones are originally made to be played with in asia. This explains the crappy range. In Japan groups of salary men race each other on the same floor in the same room sometimes. Can you imagine charging your car for the next race and then some other guy's controller starts running your charge down even though the guy is in the room next door! That's why most little square controllers have crappy range unless modded.

So to sum it all up,, If I were selling you 2 cars, one was a real bit that came with a slow motor and crappy range, $30. or a clone car that was fast and had incredible range and cost $15 or less. Gee which one would you buy? (if body type is not important)

my .02
-Bunta out

An important point that no one has brought up is warranty. This makes Microsizers (US version of TOMY BC-G) the best choice hands down. When your clone stops working the second time you run it, you can't really do much except say, "oh well, it was only $15." But if you have a problem with your Microsizer, you can go to microsizers.com, fill out a service request, and they will fix/replace it until you're content. :)

My friends who had LXX clones were very happy with them, until they they tried my Tomys. The LXX "3.0" is about the same speed as a Tomy 2.2, and they just seem to be a little louder. They do come with a 120 ma/h NiMH battery and are easily upgradable though. They paid $22 for the LXX, for $4 more I got a Tomy + a 2.6 motor (including shipping).

BTW my boosted bit w/ 3.5 motor goes 10 ft in 1.95 sec.(But I only get about 10 ft range w/ all antenna and crip cap mods).:confused:

whats these crip caps im hearing about? do they have any on a rx-7? dose it make beter range? dose it mess up your bit when doing it?

The cripple capacitors limit the range. Some controllers have them and some cars have one on the pcb. The one on the car is somewhat difficult to remove as it is about 1mm long and adjacent to other components. From my experience removing it did nothing and you risk frying your car if not very careful with soldering iron and tweezers. If you do a search for cripple capacitors there are excellent pictures (also try questformadness.com in the mods).I haven't found a good database for which cars/controllers have them, but with all the experts around here, I'm hooping we have one soon.

thank you guys who actually gave me educated answers.

i find it halarious when people say that if you dont have a tomy car it is junk without offering any real concrete evidence to back that up besides it is the original. and the original has to be better because of the brand name.

if you go by that then ford would be the best brand of cars ever made. hahahahah

It's like buying a Honda to Cadallic
 

you buy what you can afford. if you want quality buy a microsizer if you want inexpensive fun buy a clone. you pay for what you get. as long as you enjoy it then it shouldnt matter what it is! geez ppl just be happy with you got and go race somthing

then uve never seen the saleen mustang...? the lincoln LS...?! the fordr gt40(faster than ferrari)? the ford thunderbird? all of these are 2003 i know this is off topic but FORD owns rolls royce(the highest prced street car in the world), austin martin.....ford is the best car ever made.

Hi peeps,,

Just a little point of order here,,
Ford DOES NOT own Rolls Royce,, VW does, and soon BMW will.

Personally I don't think Fords are the best cars in the world, but that's my own humble opinion. (I work for the competition)

It just goes to show you that opinions are like poop chutes,, everyone has one, right or wrong, everyone has one. And my opinion is that brand name does not matter, performance does.

just my .02

-Bunta out

Well, I can settle all this nonsense. I have 4 clones, 7 microsizers and 5 bits. And, you guys didn't believe I spend my whole paycheck every week on these cars? ;)

They are all fun!!!

My personal favorite is the Microsizer...but only after I mod the crap out of it. Now go mod your mini so it will look like the real car you will never own. That's my goal anyway.

tiny my first shen (dont tell anyone) i opend it and i broke the sterring wire and i took it back to the mall where i got it and i got a replacment. so bits and m/s arent the only ones with a warrenty.

my bad bunta, i meant jaguar of course(also mazda) but at a time ford did own rolls royce, probably before we wereal born...:rolleyes: thanks for the correction

Saleen Mustang technically is a heavily modified mustang. i know you'll say its still a "stock" mustang since you can get them from Ford dealerships. 03 T Bird is cool and all, but not exactly fast. GT40 is tight, so are Shelby GT500 (hmmm, GT500). but ford, from my own personal experience of owning two fords, don't have the best build quality.

i guess my point is all cars have their ups and downs. my LXX with a 3.8 is quicker than any ZZ i've seen or raced and definatly faster than any clone, but my range sucks. ups and downs...

saleen mustang is a special edition you cannot modify a regular mustang with parts from a shop to make it a saleen. to the average americans' standards is fast, The average person's car goes about 100-140 and the top speed is 160 on the t-bird its faster than the average car making it fast. My dad has 4 fords 2 are lincolns(Navigator, and Lincoln LS V8) and the Lincold LS reaches 60 mph in 3 seconds. In a race my dad beat an austin martin(which is a ford anyway) and a viper rt/10 on the jersey turnpike. read my signature for the answer to that. Thebuild quality by far surpasses many of the high end cars with its computer controlled maintenace system(which is viewd by the driver on a screen) and its dual exaust. Ford owns many of the car companies we know and love so when someone says ford isnt the best build of a car they are talking about all of those ocmpanies. If you see James bond you will notice every car in the movie is a ford. Im not arguing or anything i am just throwing in my 2 cents:D In my opinion again i say ford is the best car(they have the rx7!!!)

wtf, ford has a rx-7?..........................huh?

I highly doubt your dad's lincoln LS 0-60 time is 3 seconds. I wouldnt believe you if you said 5 seconds. I did a search on google and every site said 7+ seconds. And to beat a viper, he probably wasnt racing.

1. various lincoln upgrades if you dont believe o well i know im right.
2. the viper driver was 20 years old and only had 3 years of driving experience with a crown victoria(he happened to pull into the same lot as us afterwards) Thank god he hadnt have tried he wouldve flown off of the road
the internet isnt the god of all knowing websites usually state the v6 version anyway which is the inexpensive kind. Lincoln offers various upgrades to improve the prefrormance of your car including a McLaren upgrade. And by the way im surprised u cared enough to look it up on the internet. Thanks i suppose for that.

Ford owns mazda henry making them own the rx-7

now im jes gonna end this conversation cause it doesnt atcually pertain to the subject of microrcs

u all can believe what you want but anyway my dad has done 40,000 dollars worth of upgrades(enough to buy another stock LS) It doesnt matter anymroe i know what i am talking about so thats all that matters end of discussion but i could be wrong too,

try doing a dual batt mod(with a 3.8) if you want your bit to get through 10 feet in that kind of time perhaps even about 4 batts. 1.8 is a small number im sure it has been done before. DKS is doing a dual batt for me because i have no idea how to solder and such. Ill report with a review once i find out, Ill even try the 10 feet time test hehe. The only thing i am afraid of is that my car will explode or something from the motor and the power. Thats y if you see my signature it says zip zap 1.6 not 3.8 lol....;)

You might think you know what you're talking about but none of us will believe you. I personally think you're making this all up. Prove us wrong. Post some drag slips, pics of car with mods, dyno slips, receipts, etc.

My Honda CBR600 does 0 - 60 in about 3 seconds but that because it's a motorcycle made for performance. I can say that because if you do a seach on the 'net, you will find data to back it up. I wonder why I haven't bought a bit motorcycle yet.

Well, to try to stay on subject, I gotta go with Tomy. My Microsizer has been great, and with the 2.6 motor, it moves pretty well. I also have a pair of Cannonball clones I picked up cheap ($23 shipped for the both of them), and they suck. One barely works, and the other doesn't work much better. Neither one works well enough for me to even use. But they have the seperate charging stations and 2.6 motors (where I got 2.6 for my MS), so I at least have some usable parts I can salvage out of them. But for me, I'm going to stick with Tomy unless I know a clone is a good one; like I would probably by an LXX, seems like everyone who has one likes it.

my lxx with 3.8 dual cell rules! yes i can't turn, but it flys when i drag race against any clones or zz's.

TemjinNeo78:

no offense or anything, i've drag raced for about 4 years now competively on and off the track. the only way a lincoln ls is going to get a 0-60 in 3.0 secs is to achieve somewhere in the range of 900+ RWHP. the weight of the car alone makes it damn near impossible. i've seen 700 HP drag cars that can barely pull out sub 2.0 to 60. i know for a fact that unless your dad dropped $200,000 into his LS. '69 camaro rs/ss 454 s/c 50 shot NOS. '97 BPU+++ TT Supra with 2JZ 100 Shot DPI neither is running a 3.0 to 60 on street tires, drags/slicks maybe. my street car is NOS'ed with a 100 shot and i'm barely running 13.0's. my drag car has dynoed at 714 RWHP

saleen mustang is available at Ford dealerships and yes, you can buy parts from the saleen catalog to turn it into a saleen. my room mate is president of the local saleen club in my town.

ford owns mazda, but has no hand in the RX-7. the probe was based off of the RX-7 because the imported technology and platform is superior to anything ford could have came up with. no offense again, but FORD is not the god send of automobiles.

i am gear head who knows cars, can you tell?

maybe you are thinking 0-60 FEET times??? than a 3.0 is completly possible considering the HP and weight of an LS (6 or 8)

someone got a fire extringuisher

well anyway we dont officially drag race, he races on the highway. While i rode with him the time came to a total of 3.45 seconds( a bit over) I asked him how did he get hte car soo fast and he said that Lincoln offered a ton of upgrades to make ur car faster. Im telling the truth have no drag slips or anywaything the car is a 2001 model so all reciepts are pratically gone. He said that half of the lincoln upgrades brought it up to 320 horsepower so erm.. and o yea whats with all of you flaming me? if you all can upgrade your cars to be fast why does it seem impossible for my dad to upgrade his? Am i asking for all the info on how ur cars are so fast? This subject is getting wayyy too deep for such a pointless cause. Im not really agitated or something but just back off wiht the flamethrowers

sorry, didn't mean to start throwing down and come off so abrasive. i'm not saying its impossible to make the LS (is it a 6 or 8?) run a 3.0 to 60. but given the available mods for it, it would take $100K to $150K worth of mods to get it to run that. if you were to say your dad's LS can run 6.0 to 60 and 1/4 at 14.0, i'd believe you because i can see that. short of making a custom turbo with custom tranny with a custom mounted i/c which would run roughly $20K for the parts, labor, and custom fabrication of the manifold, the LS wont push it past 5.4 to 60 and a low 13.

my car is fast because it was built to drag and nothing but drag. my street car is basically the same but with a softer suspension, more comfortable seats, and no turbo.

there rmust be something wrong with my stop watch o well.....thanks for all the info and stuff but please stop flaming me i was telling the sstats of my dads car and you all start jumping on top of me and burning me.

Anyway to the subject,

I would like to apologize for saying clones are bad and such. Becuase some arent as good as bits and some are. I am using the Motor Works clone charger to charge my dual cell when the mod is finished. I must addmit that the sizeo f the motor works charger is great, im impressed. I am going to buy of course more clones in the future for the great motors and spare parts. I was atcually a clone guy before i got bits and i was totally in love ith them....so why should i stop now..?:p