09-05-2002, 02:45 PM
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BIT PIMP
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Cool, Thanks alot man. I'll send you an email.
silla
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09-05-2002, 02:48 PM
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BIT PIMP
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Hey caver02,
I tried to send you a mail, but your private. You can send me your address through my email. Thanks again...
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09-05-2002, 02:54 PM
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TinyRC Newbie
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Location: SoCal, USA
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Re: Stained Glass Foil
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Originally posted by caver01 Adhesive copper for stained glass foiling can be obtained online pretty easily. Nearly every art glass supplier sells foil like this in spools. Also, most cities have stained glass artists and usually supply shops. Check your yellow pages for stained glass.
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I bought mine at a local stained glass studio (where co-incidentally I buy all my stained glass supplies  ). Its not too expensive, and comes in various widths and "backing colours: (black, copper, silver).
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Originally posted by caver01 The foil for stained glass is used to line the border of cut glass which is then soldered to adjoining cuts. The solder and foil form the joint that holds the glass. This technique, similar to "leaded" glass work was developed by Louis Comfort Tiffany at his studios in NY.
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Trivia : The famous "Tiffany Lamp" - the copper foil was originally held in place with wax rather than glue. The wax then melted. A "genuine" Tiffany lamp will rattle - the wax melted away during the leading process, causing the glass to be loose in the framework of copper that resulted.
Sorry - I am building a glass studio in my garage. A very cool hobby - a cross between engineering, architecture, and artistic ability.
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Originally posted by caver01 I would love to find out how the sticky foil works however. I don't think I would want to do double folds to keep the adhesive down, but I suppose you could do short runs and tack them all together with solder when you are done. I'd probably melt the car body doing that!
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I'll give it a try and report back. With the right tools, you can get a flat turn out of the foil, and if you slice the foil down the centre, it might be better still - a sort of "sticky wire".
Token.
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09-05-2002, 04:57 PM
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TinyRC Pro
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Lamps and foil
It sounds like the foil is a lot thinner that the copper I used. I doubt it makes a whole lot of difference for signal. Maybe it's better. I dunno. It would be pretty hard to get a flat turn with what I used.
As for your stained glass, I am trying to convince my wife to back me on the same hobby. I should just start buying glass etc. like I did with the Bit Char-G!
Are you going to be making lamps? I want to get into that hobby and just do lamps. I am dying to buy or build an 18" Wisteria. Huge project, I know, with its 2000 or so pieces, but with the right glass and replica base and ring components, this is the ultimate light in my opinion.
Sometimes, just for fun I browse Dr. Grotepass's gallery. Even his original designs are amazing.
--caver01
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09-05-2002, 05:05 PM
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TinyRC Newbie
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OT: Leadlight/Stained Glass
Stained glass stores are a strange place to go through - a cross between a "Michael's" craft store and "Home Depot".
Suggest we can take this offline. I try to keep online and offline seperate, but you might like to try emailing me (cse969(at)hotmail.com).
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09-05-2002, 06:02 PM
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sLaNteD ViSiOnS
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POST A PIC!!!
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OH YEAH, GO KILL A BIRD!
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09-05-2002, 09:15 PM
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i tried a variation of your idea. i used my wife’s' wire from her jewelry making kit and spun a very tight flat coil that is about the size of the electronics board cap (easily twice the length of the antenna). since i was just experimenting, i wrapped the end around the exposed antenna wire where it connects to the board tightly.
i tested this with about one inch of the stock antenna sticking out and got about the usual range. i pulled the antenna out a couple of inches more and i can now control my car from the other side of my house (almost three times the range i had before). although i haven't done away with the stock antenna, any increase in range is ok with me. i had horrible range before anyway, about half of what my brother gets with his bit. the best thing is, i've shortened the length of antenna stick out improving my handling. my bit was rolling over before with the 2.6 motor.
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09-05-2002, 11:20 PM
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TinyRC Pro
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Finally, the picture
Finally, here is my bit with the spring contact, so you can see my solder and insulation job, and the inside of the body with the copper. I think I want to redo the copper now that I know it works and make it thinner and more zig zags.
--caver01
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09-06-2002, 12:05 AM
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Hulk smash!
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That is ABSOLUTELY SMASHING Carver01!
Nicely done!
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09-06-2002, 12:13 AM
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Hulk smash!
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Just a wacky thought but...Wouldn't plain ole aluminum foil work?
Doesn't get any easier to find and laying it out into the underside of the body would be a cinch (just form a sheet into the body and cutout the windows).
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09-06-2002, 12:14 AM
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BIT PIMP
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Wow, very impressive. Can't wait to try it...
silla
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09-06-2002, 12:40 AM
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sLaNteD ViSiOnS
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CANT WAIT TO TRY IT....
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09-06-2002, 01:01 AM
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i awas about to reply to this before 100s or replies went up but my dad sed i had to turn off the cpu. Well im suprised it worked. I used to have an antenna less housing for my old 5190. It wasnt that great though. Thats why i was, i think the word is skeptical, about this idea. Major props for figuring it out though. Thats a cool thing, and i might try it but only to one car. I like changing my antenna to match the cars color scheme. But yet this is an awesome idea and you deserve teh credit for thinking of it.
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09-06-2002, 01:28 AM
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Conclusions
I have to admit that although I now have the benefit of no external antenna, I was hoping to increase the range at the same time. I just did some reading on a site that was all about micro sized RC components for electric RC helicopters. There was one item that intrigued me--a 3-inch antenna constructed of coiled 36 guage wire. This is probably just the enamel coated motor winding wire. Anyway, this thing was supposed to be a super antenna. Now I am even more interested in what arch2b described. The helicopter part looked like a match stick. Now that I have the soldered spring antenna, it should be pretty easy to experiment with other stuff.
As for aluminum foil, I was going to try that, but it tears so easily I felt it was too thin, but hey, if you can make it work. . .
--caver01
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09-06-2002, 01:07 PM
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Hulk smash!
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Alright, I'm stickin this badboy to the top...Too cool a mod not to!
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