no, that doesn't work either, i think it is faulty, when i try to start it now, i can't get it working, i opened it up to see if everything was in order, but nothing changed, i'm not sure but i think it's the controller that has the problem, when it's on the charge it goes from a few red blinks to green in approx 5 seconds, does the blinking mean anything?, i'll have to find another one, so i can test it, i guess it's just tough luck, thanks for your help namuna