Perfection 3.8 in a stock zip
 

I just got my order from toyeast and the first thing I did was pop in the 3.8 perfection motor into the new zip I bought today. (Yes I bought another one )
I really am surprised and still sorta in shock as to how quick and torquy this motor is. I pulled out my other 3.8 (got it from this site months ago) and the zip barely pushed it. I really haven't had a fair run with the motor to give it a full write up but you bet I will be testing this all day tomorrow.
Here's a link to the motor..
http://www.toyeast.com/proddetail2.asp?pdtid=APER001
Well worth the price even with the shipping.

How long did it take to get the 3.8 motor from those Guys???

Also are you running that motor on a stock ZIP ZAP????

It took them 9 days to get it here. I live in NY and I ordered on a saturday and monday was a federal holiday. I think that's pretty good, it usually takes them about 5 or 6 days.
I bought a new zip zap today (another black mustang) and it was totally stock. When I got home I saw the toyeast package and ripped everything open. I got an lxx booster, gloria body set and a black celica bit char-g that came with a perfection 3.8. The first thing I did was open up and looked at the motor and decided that I would test the "new zip pcb". This thing REALLY surprised me. The perfection made my other 3.8 look like a chump (in the zip) I'm thinking it's the contact problem.

I bet shipping was a hell of a lot...

For 1 motor the price is $10.9?(shipping included) for 2 motors $16.52. If you are interested in ordering anything else from toyeast, I would highly recomend throwing in 1 or 2 of these. I think I'm gonna order a few more. The more you order the cheaper the shipping 5 motors comes out to $33.29 with the shipping. That comes out to $6.65 a motor.

Yeah I was just looking on the site and think I am going to order my First Bit-Char g along with 2 of the 3.8 motors...

I think my total was $41 including shipping...

I put my 3.8 in my ZipZap seems hella slow. I don't know if it's because I'm so used to the speed of it in my MicroSizer. Is it suppos to be going this slow. It's definitely is faster than the stock 16,000rpm performance motor.

Are you talking about the PERFECTION 3.8 that toyeast sells or another 3.8? The tiny 3.8 I got barely moves in a stock zip and lacks any torque. The perfection on the other hand makes me look like this:D


*EDIT-Also which zips are you using? If it's an older (pre 2003) zip and stock, forget it. I ran this on a black mustang I bought today.

I don't know if it's new. I get the Zip on Monday. Got the 3.8 on Ebay. It's weird because I have this OEM motor which acts like a 3.0 in my Microsizer. Comparing the 3.8 motor and the so called 3.0 motor in the ZipZap, the 3.0 one goes faster. It's the other way around in my MicroSizer though.

Okay here are the times (rounded off to nearest sec) :
(new black mustang, stock everything, 22ft tiled surface)
Turbo motor = 8 sec
Nos motor = 7 sec
Bit 2.6 = 6 sec
3.8 perfection = 5 sec
Bit char-g motors 3.8 = Dead, in the first run :mad: and slower to start.

I guess the perfection motor in a stock zip can be easily rated at between a 2.8 and 3.0.
I next put the perfection motor in a 49mhz MS and it ran at a possible 5sec, I say possible because it was tough going strait for the full 22ft. The car would spin out after about 7ft. Unfortunatly becuase the bitchar -g motors 3.8 died on me I couldn't compare it in the MS, but I remember it being faster in the ms.

This is only a prelim time trial. I've gotta get a couple more perfections and some other 3.8s in order to get a good indication. I also wanna try this motor in some of my other zips. I'll keep yall posted.

For straight time trials I use Hot Wheels track. Then the car is guaranteed to go straight. If you have any try it out.:)

I never thought of that, thank you. I do have a track with a 10ft straight and I normally use that. I just figured that I'ld bring these cars to work and use the shear expanse of tiled floor to get a clear 20+ft.

How fast is a 3.8 suppose to go in a ZipZap. Tell me how it acts compared to a MS with an X motor.

It's hard to say. I would assume like a 3.8. I'm gonna test it in some of my zip char-g (pcb swaped zip) and my other stock zip and see how it compares to a bit. I was gonna do some comparisons but I was pissed about the bit char-g motors 3.8 dying on me so I packed everything up.

if it works well buy a bunch and sell them via email to reduce shipping and make some dough!!!

BTW. Toyeast is also on Ebay, the motors are going for $4.50 + $3.50 shipping! I ordered me one just to run it by my homemade tach! The motors are also $4.50 at their site but I don't know how much they charge for shipping there!


NOW why can't Tiny compete with those prices? he is on the states so he can save on shipping! :)

I don't think tiny is based in hong kong and i'm pretty sure toyeast gets a much better price seeing as they are a larger distributor. I would like to see tiny get some of the alloy rims in though ;)

If the most a ZZ can handle is a 2.6, would there be any difference between a 3.8 and a 3.0 motor in it? The ZZ would putting out the maximum amount of power so both motors should be going at the same speed because they are getting the same amount of voltage.

Actually the newer zips (revised boards) can handle alot more than a 2.6. I have no trouble spining a 3.0 or 3.8 (bitchar-g motors) in the newer cars. I just don't get the same speeds out of them, I'm thinking because of the contact on the motor and the size of the motor. This perfection motor out runs a bit with a 3.0 in it. The zips often times seem slower because they hold on to the road better than a bit with it's spinning rear. I don't know if it's the wheel base or the full size wheels front and back, but I've found that at higher speeds the zips handle worlds better.

Well, If you put a motor with a higher rating than what the board can handle the board will not output the necessary amps to move it so a 3.8 might not even work! I will be using my 3.8 with a transistor switch so I don't have that problem, also like sessiz10
says newer boards are better so they might move a 3.8

How long do they work in stock Zz??

I'm not sure I understand the question? :confused:

Will they run a stock zz battery down fast.What is runtime with a stock zz?

I haven't really noticed much of a drop on runtime using this motor. I double charge my stock zip on the controller and I get a good 5 or 6 mins of runtime.

Will double charging them decrease the life of the battery?

I don't think it will weaken the battery. The ZipZap battery is 100mah. That's double the MicroSizer one. They are both getting 3v charged to them for 45 seconds. 100 mah should be able to handle 2-3 charges.

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i've gotta get this motor

is it really all that fast

Finally got the toyeast motor, It doesn't work as well on a "First Generation Zip" I had to push start the Zip to make it go! the Bit was much better and looked speedy, I'll have to put the motor thru the tach as soon as I get a chance!

I have a yellow OEM motor and it goes faster in my Zip than my 3.8 in my zip. It's the other way around though in a BCG. Don't know why, but this unknown motor is fast enough for my Zip to spin out. I was like wow because Zips are too slow to spin out.

2 questions for ya.
1. What car did you get the oem motor from?
2. Was that 3.8 the perfection motor?
I also think you must have one of the older pcbs the newer revisions 180 on a turn with a 1.6 in there.

No it wasn't a 3.8. Don't know what OEM it is because my friend gave it to me after he slaughtered a clone for a school project. I'm pretty sure it's a new pcb because I got it 3 weeks ago.

I got 3 more of the perfection 3.8s today and I can't stress enough how great this motor is. If you have a newer zip (with the revised pcb) this motor is a must.

if u want a great deal on a motor and other things go here
Ebay

also this is the guys actually website sort of a rip though
Click here