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lnx_author 10-18-2002 10:58 AM

Outrageous Ebay Zip Zap Swiindles
 
$40 Mustang:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1778976666

$30+and counting Mustang:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1777967540

$70 Porsche:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1778857585

$25+and counting PT Cruiser:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1778028844

ROTFLMO!

some simple advice (take it for what it is worth):

- don't ever spend more for something on Ebay that you can buy for less at a local store, even if it means waiting...

- don't get caught up on bidding on an Ebay item unless you really want it and the item is unavailable anywhere else

- don't pay cash for any item

- always use a credit card, as you can dispute charges

- if you must pay by money order, pay using a U.S. Postal Service money order - you can then call in the Feds if you are defrauded

- pay for USPS insurance - the $1 is worth it

- always check a seller's ratings - stay away from any seller with negative ratings (OK, 1 or 2 out of 1,000 positives is probably all right)

- if you have a question, email the seller BEFORE bidding

- always, always, always carefully read the description of the item...

hope this helps...

ax0n 10-18-2002 11:42 AM

All excellent points. here's more:

* On top of that... never ever ever ever bid on an item unless you will be there to see it close. And if you'll be there to see it close, why put your bid in 5 days before it's over? Let the fools bid early.

* Items that are "reserve not yet met" - let someone else try to bid past the reserve price. It's a psychological trick for sellers to use on unwary buyers. Just leave them alone and find an item with the reserve met or without a reserve.

* Look for shipping scammers. Anything more than $6 shipping and handling for priority mail is unreasonable in an item that weighs less than a pound like Tiny R/C Cars.

* Look at a lot of auctions for the same thing before you even think of bidding. Use "Watch this item" on ones that you think are going to be good (using the above criterea including some of lnx_authors excellent points, especially feedback of the seller and shipping cost)

* Jot down a price that you're willing to pay for the item you're looking at. you'll need it later.

* if it's still below your target price: about 1 minute before the auction ends, start bidding in small increments till you are the high bidder or till you hit your target price, whichever comes 1st. This is to test the waters.

* hit refresh till the timer says 15 seconds. Scroll to the bottom and type in your target price, hit "review bid" and then wait will there's about 5 seconds left (10 if you're on dialup) , and hit submit. I usually use a 1 minute countdown timer on my watch to help me with this.

The technique is called "Sniping", and you may have fallen victim to people who do this, and hated them, but it's simply the best way to get the best price on something. If you bid 30 minutes (or even 5 minutes) before the end, all you're going to do is incite a bid war and drive the price up. Getting your maximum bid in without time for a counter-bid is the key.

Since LOTS of people do this, it really comes down to who has a higher "target price". Don't let that affect your target price. Let the other people get hosed. There will always be more of these on fleabay.

usagi 10-18-2002 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ax0n
All excellent points. here's more:

* On top of that... never ever ever ever bid on an item unless you will be there to see it close. And if you'll be there to see it close, why put your bid in 5 days before it's over? Let the fools bid early.

* Items that are "reserve not yet met" - let someone else try to bid past the reserve price. It's a psychological trick for sellers to use on unwary buyers. Just leave them alone and find an item with the reserve met or without a reserve.

* Look for shipping scammers. Anything more than $6 shipping and handling for priority mail is unreasonable in an item that weighs less than a pound like Tiny R/C Cars.

* Look at a lot of auctions for the same thing before you even think of bidding. Use "Watch this item" on ones that you think are going to be good (using the above criterea including some of lnx_authors excellent points, especially feedback of the seller and shipping cost)

* Jot down a price that you're willing to pay for the item you're looking at. you'll need it later.

* if it's still below your target price: about 1 minute before the auction ends, start bidding in small increments till you are the high bidder or till you hit your target price, whichever comes 1st. This is to test the waters.

* hit refresh till the timer says 15 seconds. Scroll to the bottom and type in your target price, hit "review bid" and then wait will there's about 5 seconds left (10 if you're on dialup) , and hit submit. I usually use a 1 minute countdown timer on my watch to help me with this.

The technique is called "Sniping", and you may have fallen victim to people who do this, and hated them, but it's simply the best way to get the best price on something. If you bid 30 minutes (or even 5 minutes) before the end, all you're going to do is incite a bid war and drive the price up. Getting your maximum bid in without time for a counter-bid is the key.

Since LOTS of people do this, it really comes down to who has a higher "target price". Don't let that affect your target price. Let the other people get hosed. There will always be more of these on fleabay.

This is the reason WHY I never buy stuff off ebay!:rolleyes:

brianpipa 10-18-2002 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ax0n


* hit refresh till the timer says 15 seconds. Scroll to the bottom and type in your target price, hit "review bid" and then wait will there's about 5 seconds left (10 if you're on dialup) , and hit submit. I usually use a 1 minute countdown timer on my watch to help me with this.

The technique is called "Sniping",

No, this is called sniping the hard way. There are plenty of programs that will snipe automatically for you automatically. I use JBidWatcher from http://www.jbidwatcher.com (it's FREE) and have it set to bid 4 seconds before auction end. Snipes correctly every time and I don't have to be at my computer to use it.

If you're sniping by hand, you are doing it the hard way. there is also a webiste called www.esnipe.com - I used them for a long time before I found JBidWatcher and they work too. You have to pay them a really small fee though so it's not free.

Brian

ax0n 10-18-2002 01:46 PM

it's not that hard to do it by hand, plus I use FreeBSD more than anything else. People stuck in a windows/macos world might be able to have their fun with programs.

I know people don't like to use eBay because of snipers, but the fact is that you can't get a good price on eBay without doing it or using buy it now.

BTW I've only bought 4 things on eBay. I'll agree that it's a dangerous place for buyers. It's heaven for sellers, and that's what I do there most of the time, but at least I'm fair (I don't scam people with obscene shipping or stupid products, and I am easy to deal with)

payaso 10-18-2002 02:11 PM

I hate ebay sellers like that and if I could meet them face to face I would punch em in the eye so hard they would be scared to sell anything on there ever again... The stupid IDIOT with the porsche for $70 takes the cake... I'd love to smash his hands soprano style, so he can't type anymore... AHHHH, I feel better now that I've gotten that off my chest.

silla

lnx_author 10-18-2002 02:17 PM

mind you, it's not the seller one should worry about - you're going to run across folks like that the rest of your life...

just may sure you don't become a BUYER like that...

chances are good that we've all bought something that we thought was a good deal, only to learn later on that the deal wasn't that great...

you'll learn about this when you start investing for retirement (do it NOW!)... the danger lurks when you combine perceived need with greed - TANSTAAFL!

[there ain't no such thing as a free lunch]

:-)

the Law of Ebay: Buy low, sell high!

the Law of Smart Ebay Buying: Don't buy if its more than you're willing to spend!

go_zz_go 10-18-2002 02:20 PM

nacadoches is not to far from me you want me to take care of it......jk lol



well there will always be people dumb enough to buy it,i personally would wait right up till x-mas just like a furbby

brianpipa 10-18-2002 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ax0n
it's not that hard to do it by hand
It's not hard if you just happen to be in front of the computer at the right time. You can't snipe something by hand when you are not at the computer at the right time. Programs like JBidWatcher will do it for you whether you are at a computer or not.

Quote:

Originally posted by ax0n
I use FreeBSD more than anything else. People stuck in a windows/macos world might be able to have their fun with programs.

JBidWatcher is written in Java and "is known to work cleanly under Linux, Windows, Solaris, and MacOSX from the same binary". So, give it a try! :)

Brian

ax0n 10-19-2002 02:33 AM

thx for the tip on the bidwatcher. Like I said though, I'm mostly broke and I sell more than anything else. my first eBay transactions were purchases all the way back in mid-2000 (a data cable for my StarTAC fone to use it as a modem and 2 Ford Focus WRC Rally Car Diecast models - all of which I sniped) and the 4th thing I bought was a slide rule for a co-worker cuz he didn't have an eBay account and I sniped it good for him. I actually did that last week. I did teach my co-workers to snipe though. :)

I'll let my co-workers know. Somehow they all seem to have an endless supply of cash and think "oh goodness look at me I can buy like 5 used digicams and just pick the one I like most and sell the rest for more than I bought them for"

ROFL...

Oh well. All I sell on fleabay is network security software and the occasional used Ford Car Service manual CD-ROMS when I get them in from various dealerships that are disposing of them, and old hardware I don't want anymore.

I don't like being part of "epidemic" selling. I'm sure I could make a killing on eBay with zip zaps because we seem to have a LOT of the stuff coming in, and I'm in good with a lot of store managers. I could probably leverage a LOT of the kansas city zipzaps products my way and hold onto them till mid-november and unleash holy hell on eBay but that just isn't my style.

marc515192 10-19-2002 12:27 PM

I noticed alot of bit clones and zip clones somebodies gonna be pi**ed when they get um.

JediYoda56 10-19-2002 11:14 PM

I liek ebay inanity
 
Hey don't go dissing the insane people on ebay. I had bought 5 ff tuner kits and was able to sell four of them for $20, thusmaking me money and getting one for free out of the deal. Should have waiting longer though as prices may go up on ebay. haha :D

NorCalCoug 10-19-2002 11:31 PM

Just remember these two phrases:

Caveat emptor.

You can sell an item for as much as people are willing to pay, even if it's a ridiculous 8000 dollars for your used left sock.

s1rGr1nG0 10-20-2002 10:47 AM

The problem is not the people selling items for way more than they are worth. The problem is people who are paying for it. If there is no fraud or deception in the add and someone is willing to pay $70 for the zip, its thier own damn fault. Now, on the other hand, if the add stipulates something and you receive something different, then you have a legitimate gripe. Otherwise the old saying holds true: "A fool and his money are soon parted."

lnx_author 10-20-2002 11:01 AM

- i don't see a problem with selling a $20 item for $100 if the item is as advertised (although some people who do this consider themselves 'entreprenuers')

- i do see a problem with false and misleading subject lines on ebay such as "Zip Zap," when in fact the item is a cheap clone (not that a zz couldn't be considered a cheap clone, mind you)...

- this kind of detrius gums up searches with junk returns, and is the same kind of crapola one runs into when searching for antique or trade terms (such as "Flow Blue", etc.)

- i blame ebay for allowing this, and if i were a manufacturer with a trademarked name, i'd complain to ebay for allowing sellers to use the term to lure bidders, when in fact the item is not as advertised...

ctshaynes 10-21-2002 10:33 AM

I don't see any problem with it at all. If people are willing to pay that much then more power to them. The only thing that gets me is if the people selling them for these prices are Radio Shack employees that are hoarding them.

brianpipa 10-22-2002 11:18 AM

I just found a major bug in JBidWatcher. It doesn't sync up times correctly with ebay. I fixed the code so it works now for me, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone until he comes out wit ha new version (greater than the current 0.92pre)

If anyone REALLY wants it, I can send you the fixed code so it will work

brian

Deadite 10-25-2002 04:35 PM

Check out this guys auction .... total retail value on his items was like $62.96 and it sold for $120.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...779805200&rd=1

I have a ZipZaps auction but at least I'm not price gouging the hell out of people. I am selling my stuff at top buy it now price for barely over $20 bucks over retail. I am shocked that someone would just go out and buy a bunch of stuff to specifically sell. I wonder...hmmmmm....this shortage is being created by these RS employees selling on ebay and the guys who go buy a whole stores stock and sell it on ebay. I came into my ZZ stuff and by the time it came I decided I wanted to wait till later to in Janurary to get a Beetle.

My eBay auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...781178218&rd=1

Go0ty 10-25-2002 05:14 PM

barely over 20 bucks retail? so that's what, 40 dollars for a starter zip?

Deadite 10-25-2002 05:27 PM

I'm selling a package of ZipZap stuff. It's not just the car gooty.

Dangit I just realized I copied the super goofs auction link in the place where my link was suposed to be. I have put the right link in the above post for me.

go_zz_go 10-25-2002 09:08 PM

that link took me to a black civic ff kit and a carring case strating bid 10 bucks not bad buy it now for seventy what the faaa i dont think i ll say it but you catch my drift

Deadite 10-25-2002 09:26 PM

Usagi quit deleteing my posts....i didn't do anything...go_zz_go is implying I'm doing something wrong. I don't appreciate you deleteing my post and I know it's you who did it. I only asked go why he is bashing me.
Deadite, you by passes the word filter. Thats why I am deleting your post. Yes it should have been deleted........I am a monitor I don`t bash i keep order.





DEADITE
I am doing this for everything enjoyment of this board. by passing filters is not allowed. You know the rules.
I don`t enjoy seeing insults and dirty words being used , if you want to do this then go elsewhere. If you don`t want your posts deleted then don`t post remarks that breaks the rules. I also don`t enjoy being called named and insulted. I am spending MY TIME and EFFORT to keep these BOARDS clean and in order FOR YOU UPTIGHT MONITOR HATERS! I don`t deleted post for fun or enjoyment I hate it! End of story!
I been taking your insults for 2 weeks now, do push your luck!

go_zz_go 10-25-2002 09:37 PM

are they still givin you hell? if i would of known it was yours deadite i would of ragged you hardder hahaha jk i am sure you will get it and if i didnt have one i probably would pay that much too

usagi leave my man alone he catches enuff heck as it is!!!

haha\ whats up dead how is life i see its ruff in hear for ya

Deadite 10-25-2002 09:40 PM

I thought you "go_zz_go" were talking smack about my auction. I'm the one who owns the auction you looked at with the black civic.

go_zz_go 10-25-2002 09:42 PM

no just observing the crazzy stuff the buyers do i thought you could use a little grief tonight haha

Deadite 10-25-2002 09:47 PM

I hope it doesn't take to Januray for RS to get the beetles in. I want to get a beetle.

Deadite 10-26-2002 12:24 AM

This auction is totally outragous:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1781248151

marc515192 10-26-2002 12:30 AM

Some people are out of their mind

usagi 10-26-2002 06:51 AM

DEADITE
I am doing this for everything enjoyment of this board. by passing filters is not allowed. You know the rules.
I don`t enjoy seeing insults and dirty words being used , if you want to do this then go elsewhere. If you don`t want your posts deleted then don`t post remarks that breaks the rules. I also don`t enjoy being called named and insulted. I am spending MY TIME and EFFORT to keep these BOARDS clean and in order FOR YOU UPTIGHT MONITOR HATERS! I don`t deleted post for fun or enjoyment I hate it! End of story!
I been taking your insults for 2 weeks now, do push your luck!
This is your last warning!

Deadite 10-26-2002 12:36 PM

1. You just acused me of calling you a name - not true
2. You called me a monitor hater - not true

I dont' get what your problem is you've been following me all over this board....closing and moving my "Beware www.char-g.com" thread when it should have been in the micro/char-g section. If your wanted to move it so bad you shouldn't have closed it. The thread was valid.

3. Now you're threatening me and I haven't done nothing to deserve this.

This all started when you started screaming at me when some random guy left a messege on a thread for me. Then I responded to his messege and you got on me. I didn't tell the guy to leave a messege for me. Then ever since you have been all over me.

4. I have never insulted you (ever)

Deadite 10-26-2002 01:42 PM

Usagi hold off on getting on me look at this one:


$310 buck ZipZap auction .... everyone look. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...779582107&rd=1

marc515192 10-26-2002 02:07 PM

Holy ****

JediYoda56 10-26-2002 04:44 PM

Well that doesn;t seem as bad as some other I have seen when you break it down. That seems to be less than double the retail price of the items involved. I have seen many auction going for 2 to 3 times retail price.

usagi 10-26-2002 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deadite
Usagi hold off on getting on me look at this one:


$310 buck ZipZap auction .... everyone look. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...779582107&rd=1

wow what is tha a army of them wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

usagi 10-26-2002 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deadite
1. You just acused me of calling you a name - not true
2. You called me a monitor hater - not true

I dont' get what your problem is you've been following me all over this board....closing and moving my "Beware www.char-g.com" thread when it should have been in the micro/char-g section. If your wanted to move it so bad you shouldn't have closed it. The thread was valid.

3. Now you're threatening me and I haven't done nothing to deserve this.

This all started when you started screaming at me when some random guy left a messege on a thread for me. Then I responded to his messege and you got on me. I didn't tell the guy to leave a messege for me. Then ever since you have been all over me.

4. I have never insulted you (ever)

All the messages in questen have been deleted........ Please stop these games. Idon`t deleted post for the FUN OF IT! IF you by pass the filters They get deleted by me!

usagi 10-26-2002 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deadite
1. You just acused me of calling you a name - not true
2. You called me a monitor hater - not true

I dont' get what your problem is you've been following me all over this board....closing and moving my "Beware www.char-g.com" thread when it should have been in the micro/char-g section. If your wanted to move it so bad you shouldn't have closed it. The thread was valid.

ANd why are you causing me to keep repling to these types of coments?
I said this once I say it again. I am trying to KEEP order to this site so messages are not over loaded in so areas. And I and not following you.

The end

airline2 01-30-2003 04:54 PM

i was one of the theose people

DKS 02-01-2003 12:03 AM

You guys get upset at sellers that sell stuff for exorbitant prices, but who is making them pay that much? no one is forcing them to bid on it, just pass it up, the sellers are the smart ones that put the products up there in case there is someone silly enough to wanna spend the money...unless you guys are upset because you overpaid on something, just don't bid on it, if someone buys it, they will post it up again, if no one buys it eventually they will give up. I have dealt with ebay a long time and I have gotten some stuff I would never ever be able to have in my possesion for very reaonable prices, you just have to be smart and know how to be a good ebayer. Dont get upset over someone posting stuff up for alot of money. I for example post things on ebay and usually start them at .99 cents no reserve, sometimes they end at ridiculous prices, but I am not forcing them to bid that high, people just sometimes dont have the resouces or time to buy elsewhere, maybe to them overpaying is easier that looking somewhere else....just my 2 cents

redemption 02-01-2003 02:39 PM

I agree with DKS....

if you're stupid enough to bid $300 on a zip zap..... welll.. I won't even continue that one.

Oh--ax0n-- your avatar OWNS.

airline2 02-02-2003 05:45 PM

the prices on ebay have dropped


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