Iwaver Mini-z???
 

A while ago i ordered a few bits from toyeast so they put me on their mailing list. When i was checking the latest one something interesting caught my eye: IWAVER MINI-Z (apearently a mini-z clone?).

http://www.toyeast.com/v2/proddetail...dtid=A02006060

I was just curious if anyone has one of these and can tell me how it compares to a xmod and/or mini-z. Hell for 25 bucks how could you go wrong?!?!

hey jam gunner, i will get it just to see if it lives up to it's name.
wanna buy them together?

I showed one of my friends and we just might buy some (might save a bit on shipping). I mean i remember paying 25 for a zip zap se, if these are even half the cars that i hear mini-z's are, I believe it is more than worth it. I probably would have bought one of these prior to my x-mod had i known they existed.

Read this thread on the Mini-Z site. It has allot of info regarding the Iwaver.

http://www.minizracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12919

I have 5 Mini-Z's and plan on buying one of these clones for my girlfriends son. Looks worth the 25 dollar price too me.

an Xmod is actualy better then the Z clones....

i might try to get one of those i bet u can make them pretty fast adn for the price why not buy one

but the IWaivers use the Kyosho molds they bought, have full propo, and ALL the MR01 hop ups should work.
the car follows the Mini Z MR01 design in many ways.
i hope Iwaiver makes an MR02!

I doubt they [bought] them from kyosho, likely a factory that was supose to produce them, was "fired" yet kept making them, or they found them dumpster diving.. not 100% the same as kyosho also, so they likely reproduced them from re-molding a store bought Mini_Z... they are still reproduction quality, and no more than that... as I said Xmod is actualy better.. falls apart less etc...

I just hope its not some child labor camp that produces them... or terrorist groups that benifit from it... (this is the case with more products than you would think).

hahahahaha
 

While all this may be true, wait until you attempt to order and find out that with shipping costs, you could buy a mini-z hahahahahahahaha ..... Toyeast and Dinball/rcmart are both known for this.

Re: hahahahaha
 

I am a Mini-Z fanatic and I highly endorse buying a Mini-Z over the Iwaver. However.....fair is fair. Although I have never purchased from toy east, I have purchased allot from dinball, and if their shipping costs are comparable, then it would still be cheaper than a Mini-Z to purchase. Frankly, only 1 time have I felt I paid more for shipping when buying from Hong Kong. That particular item I bought on ebay, and the shipping rate was a little high in my opinion. But buying direct has never been expensive on the shipping. It seems only fair to point out your false statement to those reading this forum, that are not familiar with this. OK I'm done.

well the I waver would be about 50$ when it said and done... you can usualy get a Used Z (wich would still be better then a new Iwaver) for 40-70...

You are correct Drac. But I was comparing Apples to Apples, meaning both being purchased new.

I have heard of these, I hear that they are fully propo, have good range, can use the same upgrades, etc etc. On Sunday, me and my dad made a deal and, taking money from my allowance, he ordered the Blue Skyline GT-R starter kit, the blue viper body, and the escalation motor. I just need some rechargeable AA batteries....Off to Walmart I go, for IC-3's! :D

And it would be like a gift from GOD if Iwaver made MR-02's for the same low price.....:eek:

whatever
 

I'm basing the costs off of this. I went to order a 1/64 mini tank that cost $15....shipping was $50. I went to order a 1/10 Tamiya TB-02 for $129 shipping was $75......That was back at Xmas though, so maybe they were just anally reaming people for the holidays.

Re: whatever
 

WOW.....No wonder you thought it was expensive. I'm only spending between 4 and 5 dollars for shipping. I did pay twenty for shipping on a ready set, but never 50 or 75. Unbelievable!!!!!!!

Re: whatever
 

Wow, it has been a while since i ordered from toy east but i don't recall the shipping prices being so outrageous. Last thing i ordered was a few of those bit char g clones, beleive the shipping was ~$10.

edit:
Just checked my order history on toyeast: 4 lxx clones @ $11 a pop, total shipping was $15 (this was well over a year ago though, guess they upped the price since?)

to be fair
 

I made a mistake with the mini tank. the TOTAL cost was $50, so the shipping was $35, that INSANE for something the same size and weight as a zipzap. The TB-02 is quite large though. It's probably over 5lbs or more and the box is about 2.5ft long by 1.5 ft wide by 8in tall. Plus, the stuff is coming from Hong Kong. I think Tower's shipping on it was like $25, so I just bought it from the LHS for the same price as tower and payed the tax instead of the shipping and it worked out a bit cheaper.

I purchased a few Iwavers in a group by from TE and the shipping for 7 cars and bodies was about $8 car. Buy more spend less on shipping.

As far as the Xmod being a better car than the Iwaver, well i was dissapointed at the cheap style of remote and the slow speed of the xmod, and after a few hop ups it was just as fast as my stock Iwaver. Plus it ended up costing more.

Drac,

I know this forum and the MZR forum are in conjuction, but with this comment

"I just hope its not some child labor camp that produces them... or terrorist groups that benifit from it... (this is the case with more products than you would think)."

I think it's time you got alittle help dude. Thats a horrible way to promote your ideaologly on a toy car coming from overseas. Thats a sic way to promote any opinions, it totally sounds like your exploiting the emotions of people all over the forums.

Ahem the Xmod is also made in an overseas factory. Perhaps it also should be included in your statement.

I can't believe that went uneditted. It's sic.

Why? Because it makes you think...

Maybe thats why I try to deal with companies where I know I have a better idea where the product/factory is coming from.

However, before we go one way or another.. Is there any type of contact/website information on the box for those that got it. If not, I would be very skeptical of its legitamacy.

*I tried to google a website for iwaver, closest I could find was Taiwan site that I dont think is related.

Ok, well there is http://www.iwaver.com/

But that is in reality Steve from Toyeast! So that leads nowhere.


I found this review:
http://www1.bbiq.jp/ikinari/mini-z/iwaver.html

I should point out this portion

This was just a silly comment, but since you insist on searching the entire internet for things I have said about the I waver... I dont think I realy paid attention to the fact this thread was about the I waver though... at the time I posted that.. but whatever....

What is wrong with me HOPEING that its NOT a child or slave labor camp? I do hope that its not.. dont realy expect that it is, but there are a lot of these places still in existance in some countries... and they are known for making everything from real-name brand T-shirts to cheap knock off toys... remember a few popular stars being arrested cuz their clothing was made in sweat shops etc?

My point is dont just go buying the stuff you see cuz its cheap, do a little research... A certian popular terrorist group makes money off of thousands of products legaly sold in the US.. they make even more off of non legal products... Gem sales, like Tansanite or whatever it is, often wind up in their pockets...

The Whole World is sick, not just me...

Back to the Iwaver

Yes i've read that review as well, and as far as i can tell it's the only bad review on the iwaver. Statistically speaking there are probably moreof them out there along with good reviews as well

see the micro rc center.com (remove the spaces) for the iwaver review, well written and no need to translate. yippee. It's actually in the Kyosho Miniz section, and stickied as well.

It inceases the amount of real information about the Iwavers so it's all good right?

potentiality

quote:
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Digital proportional system: 12 steps for steering on each side (less than xmods), 12 steps for throttle. It has reverse, but no brake.

A low graded clone with digital propo. would be better than a real propo.
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My MR01 has the same gear ratio as my Iwaver, i can esentially replace the MR01 steering gears with Iwaver gears. I'm not sure what he was talking about when i read that review. My Xmod had nowhere near the turning radius of my Iwaver.


Anyways it's all choice and $$ right? I have a MR01, an OL and a MR02. But i still drive my Iwaver more and can watch my friends smack into walls and not be scared of them breaking parts or mirrors off. I've raced my Iwaver against MR01's and have placed well in the standings (local club racing).

Drac,

I commmented on the fact that you brought a whole new ball of wax into a disscussion. Something political that should be on a political forum somewere, not a forum on toy cars. Gotta keep the disscusion on topic right?

If you'd have said that "I will not buy an Iwaver because i don't like to support copy cat products" I wouldn't have even batted an eye.

Without bringing up boring old topics, can we agree to disagree? people like them and some people don't, for whatever reasons everyones correct both correct.

It's what i like to call "freedom of speech", Canadians have a similiar thing, we say "what happens on the ice stays on the ice"

Sent Steve a email, response:

"Hi,

We are the Iwaver manufacturer, you can see the www.iwaver.com and the
attached pic is the new bodies of GT40 concept and Porsche Carrera GT
Concept coming, we do the tooling now.

Regards
Steve
"


So if this holds true, then most likely these are made in Hong Kong, not mainland China.

At least now you all have a better idea to form you decision. Though I think we can drop the priority of it being a terrorist or child labor setup. Though as dar as being made under a authoritarian government with lax labor and enviromental laws.... (See? Still is never a simple black and white issue).

You don't understand the comment then. The servo gears aren't what effects the proportional. Its the electronics. Hes simply telling you in that review that how many "steps" per side for steering is rather low then I would assume a traditional miniz. Basically, how smooth a steering range it will have (which it seems it won't).

I see, but i can still turn jsut as well and on the same radius as my MR01. Which is good.

I saw the new bodies, looking good. I've found a few cars on e-bay but no local stores yet, but it's only a matter of time.

I thought I explained the difference in the steering a few posts ago? in this thread or another on this forum?

it has nothign to do with the min or max radius, that is more of the mechanizm tie rods etc, the difference with the iwaver and mr01 is the electronics tell the car it has 12 different places the front tires can stay at... when the mini-Z can stop any were at those 12 and any were in between cuz it is fully proportional, when toyeast says their car is FULLY PROPORTIONAL it is an error... its only partialy-proportional...

12 steps or 15 steps on the Xmod, is enough for dinking around the house, but when u get into good clean off the wall on every lap racing it wont cut it...

The reason the heipoa is junk is cuz it dont even have a servo, its just all the way left or all the way right, try riding a bike by jerking the wheel 45 degrees left and right to steer, with out easing it to one side or the other, and with out stopping half way... its not so easy...

Yes i agreee Hei POO is garbage, it's an oversized bit with magnet steering. Just like the palm runner and all push button cars.

Having raced the Iwaver, i can say that it can stay off the walls on a tight track and handles pretty well stock.

As with my Mr01 I had to do the paper mod as the centering sensor (i think im right) gets joggled around. Alittle shim behind it a presto straight as an arrow.

Stay away from the Hei Poo. But if you set on that style of racing, than get a plam runner at lest the body looks good.

Pics of new Iwaver bodies
 

Hey, potentiality...can you either post or email me the pictures of the new Iwaver bodies? I just purchased 4 IWaver bodies from Steve at ToyEast and was quite impressed with the quality, considering the price. The four bodies, including shipping, was less than $34, which equates to about $8.50 each. Good luck finding a Mini Z body for that price shipped.

Sure there are some minor problems with the decals on my Subaru Imprezza WRX, but it still looks good driving around. I personally will continue to purchase Iwaver bodies as new ones become available. I feel better about putting an $8.50 body on my Xmod and racing it around than I would putting a $30 AutoScale body on.

I put them in a zip attached here.. I dont know if Steve wants these public yet as you can see markups on the cars fie changes.

I think that I got the same pictures. I sent Steve an email last night asking him another question and happened to mention reading about his prototype bodies. These are definitely going to be nice once they come out. He also mentioned that they are working on a McLaren GTR also.

yea the photos are still prototype...

Kyosho just released a Mclaren F1 gtr body as well, for the Enzo chassis...

Machine:

i read a bunch about the Iwaver at micro rc as well. The folks there are very nice and informative, but it is important to note that they also sell IWavers on their site. Not sure they would go out of their way to say anything bad about them. I considderred and IWaver,m but wnet with the xmod. I just liked the fact that I could buy it and parts in a local shop. If my local shops had iwaver I may have gotten one. They did have mioni z, but my wife is already ready to kill me after buying a $50 toy.

I like it so far, but I did struggle with the decision. I have read good things about iwavers on other forums so I am not suggesting that micro rc is lying to us, just reminding you to consider the source.

Do Iwaver and Mini Owners do similar mods?
 

Do mini z owners do similar mods to the ones mentioned here for xmods? I was curious to see if they also add cells, resistors etc.? Is it as necessary? Is it as easy?

I don't own a Mini-Z, but appently all MR-01 parts can be used, so I gather similar parts are used, except for FETs, since the boards differ in design. I heard that there's gonna be an MR-02 out soon, so I'm waiting for that.