Why Does Everyone Hate NML?
 

Hey, Im just wondering why everyone hates NML? lol..Is it because hes selling motors? I never used one, but i hear they are the best. If they are good, why do you hate them? Im sure hes not scamming people if he's keeps selling them. I hope when i start selling my motors, people dont hate me, lol. I see everyone nagging his products, but i dont understand it, Have you guys tryed to made a motor? Its alot of time and work. If you made them before, you know what i mean. If not, Then dont speak (Thats how i feel..lol) Well just a thought i had..Post your feeling's on this subject :)

I certainly don't hate him, or the Redline motor guy. I look up to those two as the guys to beat when I'm trying to build a motor.

Honestly, I don't think building a motor is that hard. Building a motor well is hard. I tend to rush things, and not get my winds as neat as I could, but my motors have been improving with each one I make. The one I just made for the Mini-Z is probably my best one (130) yet. I really took the time to get the winds neat and tight. It still didn't even take me an hour to finish. NML says he takes as long as two hours on a motor.

Anyway, I respect what the other motor builders do. It is only their ridiculous sales pitches that I tend to like to poke fun at. Then again, I love messing with salespeople in general... ;)

ughh
 

ic..Well you do have a point, you can just throw a really quick, bad motor together, but making them GOOD is def a lil harder..but also, its not his fault (or anyone elses) that people are spending 50+ on the motor..Just a thought

i personally think they are a rip off, with the exception of the big comms he uses. other than that, they are not that fast. they are faster than stock but i have raced and kept with one with my hybrid motor than cost me no more than $20 to put together. the prices of some of these motors is just crazy. it would be cheaper to just get the best 180class motor you could find ;p

Yes, But why blame him/them for the buyers stupidity and lazyness? The buyers are stupid to buy it at those prices, and to lazy to search for other ones that cost $20 like you say...

hate is a strong word
 

but disapprove of his actions are another thing. The thing I dislike is the shameless self promoting that he does on every single forum on the internet. He also sounds like a bloody Japanese TV commercial with his "super mega oustanding big happy fun nitrous oxide jet propulsion Ferrari Enzo quadruple turbo charged engines" when in fact it's just a really well done rewind of a 130, 180, or 260 motor with a nice can, magnets and bearings. No doubt he makes good stuff but it's the carnival-barker like sales pitch and advertsing accross every forum on the net that bugs me.

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I understand how everyone hates the sales pitch that every motor man is using and it is funny but in nml's defense on the miniz forums he is very respected and is known for some of the fastest miniz's. so on the miniz forums there are no gimmicks since he is known to be fast. here on all the xmod forums he is not known and people are quick to judge. and on top of that other motor makers hate on everyone else and the catchy the sales pitch probably works on some. So I guess they do what they have to do. I personally know nml and he a real cool guy and hes motors are fast.

neurokinetik, you sound like you got a good thing going too and I would mind trying out one of your motors.

Re: hate is a strong word
 

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Dude, you just made my day.

Ya, neurokinetik..how much are you getting?

neuro
 

He's not a crack....errrrrr motor dealer. He earns the utmost superior respect by actually being innovative, testing and experimenting and then SHARING the info, not selling the product. PROPS TO NEURO!!!!

Thanx Xodus, finally somebody else who thinks I'm funny!!

i dont like him. I would acctualy by one of neurokinetik motor or products instead of nml. the reason i hate nml so much is bacuse of how he comes online only to talk about his motors.

i know id show a great deal of respect to both motor guys if they would share their actual specs i.e. winds, guage, mags, brushes... im also skeptical to purchase things based on claims, howver a demo at the local hobby store would surely allow me to fork over 50 bux

nml is trying to out do the redline guy..

BUT I HATE THE REDLINE GUY .... hes a friggin sales robot...

Ya the redline guy is the "Speedoligist" on ebay right? If thats his, Then i dislike his approch..lol..He does it all for $. But NML, Makes motors for fun and shares them basicly..and people enjoy them..soo...Good Job to him is all i can say..I would like to compete with him with my motors soon :)

be fair
 

To be fair, NML is just as bad as Speedologist, Redline, Solomon or what ever name they're going by. NML posts under MicroInnovations (or somethig like that) and NoMotorLimit and some others too. I disagree with you XODUS about him sharing and making the hobby fun. They're both a bane to the hobby. just like SilentNightR34 said, he only comes online (to most of the forums) to sell stuff. Again to be fair, he has in the past provided good material and thoughtful posts in the mini-z forums only though and in the eary days at that, in other words until he started selling. The only way these guys are going to get the message is just to bash the heck out of them whenever they post.

You know, I don't expect everybody to like me. But the people don't like me only see one side of the picture, and that's me trying to sell my creations.

I fund my own R&D'ing (money I work hard for), and spend seriously countless hours to perfect my creations. Yeah, I do charge more than what people would normally pay for, but it's like an art. An artist paints a picture, and it depends on the an art enthusiast how much it's worth to him or her.

One thing's for sure, if I make a claim that it's hand wound and made by me, yes, it is made by me, and I guarantee that it will meet what you would expect when you pay for what I'm asking for.

Just because I posted my MEGA-X doesn't mean I'm promoting it. If I know of a good motor and if it's better than mine, I'd show it off just the same as I would my own.

Bottom line: the other seller is the fake one. He's the real deal when it comes to cheating people for their money. He's been doing this long before Xmods ever existed.

You guys who hate me, only feel that way because you've never dealt with me person to person. The only time you guys will see the asshole out of me is when you guys show me your asshole side. Other than that, I respect people.

I didn't have anything against either until the Redline guy started insulting me after some questions about his motor.

NML has answered my questions before, no fussing either. He's cool in my book, if I were to buy a big motor, it'd be his...







I'm more interested in perfecting my own motor building skills at this point, even if the end result isn't as good.

I guess im wrong, hes not SHARING...b/c he isnt giving the EXACT specs..which would be cool..but then people can try to copy (still need expirence)..but i just feel that someone that spends alot of time making these little creations, deserves some respect..

**Edited: Whoops, My mistake**

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I think it's stupid to hate someone because they wont share motor specs. Why would he share that stuff if he' trying to sell. hate is a strong word you dont even know him. If people are going to dislike him thats life but hating someone who wont share his lunch is childish.

I've meet him through miniz's and I consider him a friend sorry to have to vent, but this a stupid thread. Let's just talk about xmods.

Most of us don't have a problem with the whole specs issue. My issue with NML, and the vast majority of the other guys, is their marketing. I don't like shameless self promotion in community forums, and I realy hate advertising packed with hyperbole and analogies that are, well, juvenile.

I don't need to know how many turns at what gauge, etc, but rather than tell me some V12 big block yadda yadda BS, tell me something useful, like X rpms, Y torque, Z amps, etc. Facts, people, not nonsense.

Nosser, I hear ya there. Im just saying it would be nice, but he's not sharing. Its cool, That's his secret, and that's what makes him #1. So I don't expect him to share now that you put it that way..lol...

Rez, Im not sure if I agree with you. If the person that's selling something, isn't spamming the board then I feel its ok. But maybe NML can get some more respect if he comes on and helps people with motor problem? Just a thought. - Dean

ok...now i acctually like nml more...i dont know why...maybe its because he posted here about what people think of him...i have more respect for him now because he just sombody like us who trys out diffrent things and when he gets them right and almost perfect, he sells them. he needs money too you know. plus he made motors for mini-z's and people liked them so they must be good.. now im actually thinking about investing in one of his motors. NOW...im against that other dude microinnovations or somthing...with the redline motor...i never even intended to buy one of his....they just sound so stupid...:rolleyes: sorry man..but if you come up with an excuse too then....um......i donno..:D

microINNOVATION is not the redline guy...i talk with microINNOVATION and he promotes NAM so im sure he's not..lol..

Yes im definutely not the redline guy.. if you thought i was im sorry to bust ur bubble but im not

I am sharing, if you go xmodworld.com, I made a post under motor upgrades, that I will be releasing all motors that you can use for Xmods. Instead of putting together Crest Spin brush, etc. which does put an impact in the environment to a certain degree, and possibly oil prices too, because plastic is derived from oil, after all.

I just need time to put it altogether as far as motor tips are concerned.

Just want to say thanks to people who understand where I'm coming from.

Tip# 1: What to use other than putting tape on your tires for drifting: Heat Shrink tubing. Will post pictures when I find time.

1. Use the edit button to edit your first post if you want to add something.
2. Come on man! Not one freakin period or coma in both of them posts.


Back on topic,
I have a nml motor and am happy with it. The torque and top end is NOT great but good enough for a stock board.

Yeah, you should do that.:rolleyes:

Funny how after I was a "jerk about it" you tried to clean up your post.
Actually, I'm pretty sure you were being the jerk with your reply to my original post. Maybe I should start another thread asking if I was a jerk, or maybe asking who was a jerk to who first. :p
Oh well.

hehe....sorry man..i just forgot his name..all i know now is that his name on ebay is speedologist...sorry about that..:o ....

Obviously you don't.

Aight people..can we not be so immature? Honestly...wow..

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That just made me laugh my *** off!

what?
 

What else do you expect when the atypical user of this forum is 10-14 years old? Us "old-guys" have learned to ignore it and BC will eventually iterject, shut the post down and warn the kids to behave.

Re: what?
 

Unfortunatly I can't ignore it becuase it annoys me. The only thing I can do is offer up some advice to these lil 14yr olds and hope that they might learn something. Then you get the little smart ass ones that make me regret even trying. This is also the reason why I don't frequent tinyrc any longer.

but...
 

but you were just as guilty by keeping it flowing.......... It would've been over with if it had just been ignored.

Re: but...
 

"Unfortunatly I can't ignore it becuase it annoys me."

Guilty of what? Responding? Sorta like what You're doing?

I didn't come out and call him a jerk or any other names.
I suggest you go back and reread the posts.