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MicroRCracer 11-02-2003 03:49 PM

FWD XMOD!! YES! Front Wheel Drive!!
 
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Another thing a Mini-Z will never have...
This is for those interested in converting your Xmod into a FWD. Yes, front wheel drive!! Now, I have three XMod Supras!! AWD, RWD, and now front wheel drive. I love all of the different drive characteristics that they have!!

Here is what you ahave to do.. I used the 5 yellow bushings for spacers to replace the rear diff.. It's amazing of how much low end front wheel drive torgue the car has epecially racing on carpet. Reminds me of the real import Honda dragsters take off when racing for 1/4 mile time on a track. Handling handles just like a real FWD car, kinda like an RSX or Civic.

Please refer to the picture below..:p

wasuri 11-02-2003 03:57 PM

CREATIVE!! MAD PROPS!!! If i get a revell body crx im going to make it FWD just to simulate the real thing....mad props man!!

Bad Company 11-02-2003 04:21 PM

Good work. After that, all you did was install the front end of the AWD kit? Did you have to do anything different?

4G63T 11-02-2003 04:59 PM

cool:eek: :)

cyrc 11-02-2003 05:08 PM

awsome!!!

Bad Company 11-02-2003 05:29 PM

I think I'm going to do this to one of my Civics. It would make it more realistic, and I'm looking foreward to seeing how different it handles.

TypeZer0 11-02-2003 05:54 PM

people have done this before. i know i have. i suggest the limited slip ball diff up front. oh yeah, u know those pins that holds on the front wheels that you gotta remove to fit in the AWD kit? try fitting it on the rear wheels instead.

Alex 11-02-2003 08:48 PM

damnit i thought about this and posted it on MZR.com and someone took the idea! crap..

_revhards13 11-02-2003 10:06 PM

No, you dont need the bushings mine is running fine fwd without the bushings... lol... waht a poonkall you have to do is put the little bar back in

token5gtd 11-02-2003 10:30 PM

haha, thats sweet, im def gonna do that to one of my rsx's and civics

Nathan 11-02-2003 11:57 PM

If you've ever dropped the clutch anywhere above 2000 RPMs in a real FWD car, you know how the traction is:D . I drive a civic- I know.

I've seen FWD dragsters too-I'd like to know how they do it.

My FWD XMOD cracks me up. It does some mad burnouts in my garage, and even understeered into a wall:D .

_revhards13 11-03-2003 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by Nathan
If you've ever dropped the clutch anywhere above 2000 RPMs in a real FWD car, you know how the traction is:D . I drive a civic- I know.

I've seen FWD dragsters too-I'd like to know how they do it.

My FWD XMOD cracks me up. It does some mad burnouts in my garage, and even understeered into a wall:D .

its a RF... very strange and not in any real car in the world closest to it is a MF... which is extremley rare!

FF=Front engine FWD
FR=Front engine RWD
MF=Midengine FWD
MR=Midengine RWD
RF=RearEngine RWD

MicroRCracer 11-03-2003 01:44 AM

[quote]Originally posted by TypeZer0
people have done this before. i know i have. i suggest the limited slip ball diff up front. oh yeah, u know those pins that holds on the front wheels that you gotta remove to fit in the AWD kit? try fitting it on the rear wheels instead. [/QUOTE

Ive already used the front stock gear diff for drag racing, but i recommend using the ball diff for better handling. Either way is OK depending on what type of FWD racing you are going to do. And, oh yeah, Ive tried using the two pins at first and dont recommend it.. With your idea Ive noticed that there's too much freeplay with the wheels and didnt want the hassle to find other spacers to support the pins to the wheels to prevent the wheeble-wobble of having an unbalanced rotating tire(s).. Plus, its a hassle when you want to switch over to AWD or RWD. My way so far is the most convenient way (since it just replaces the rear diff) along with having the rear rotational stability of the wheels.;)

TypeZer0 11-03-2003 07:12 AM

i think you mean use the stock gear diff for better handling cuz the limited slip is the ball diff

Murcielago659 11-03-2003 01:08 PM

I'm still trying to figure out WHY you would want a fwd ANYTHING.

mbartell 11-03-2003 04:55 PM

gotta agree with that one.

Wow, it's uncontrollable and don't turn worth a flip! Yee haw.

I guess there are people out there that just like it that way.

What is the turning radius like?

viperkilla 11-03-2003 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bad Company
I think I'm going to do this to one of my Civics. It would make it more realistic, and I'm looking foreward to seeing how different it handles.
You just took the words out of my mouth.:D

scrody 11-03-2003 10:26 PM

since im kinda new to xmods do you have 2 have an awd kit to make this run fwd?

4G63T 11-03-2003 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by scrody
since im kinda new to xmods do you have 2 have an awd kit to make this run fwd?
yes you do

MicroRCracer 11-05-2003 04:23 AM

the handling and drifting is considerably great!! handles like a real fwd civic or RSX off the turns. Drifts pretty well also, but not as good as the AWD Kit.

txbart 11-07-2003 10:05 AM

FWD on a Supra?! That's blasphemy!! But still creative. I'd like to know though if the AWD kit is a gear diff or Ball Diff?

Murcielago659 11-07-2003 02:02 PM

AWD has a ball diff for the rear and a gear diff for the front.

4G63T 11-07-2003 03:46 PM

sorry....but whats the difference between those two
thanks

XMODADDICT 11-07-2003 03:56 PM

gear diff runs smooth; ball diff adds somewhat of limited slip

4G63T 11-07-2003 03:57 PM

o ok thanks

XMODADDICT 11-07-2003 04:02 PM

anytime... i knew some one that used to drive a talon... then he got an eclipse... have fun w/ your talon

4G63T 11-07-2003 04:04 PM

well my is actually 92 talon tsi awd but its convesrion to 94 eclipse gsx:p

NovaDK 12-21-2003 03:38 PM

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carpet. Reminds me of the real import Honda dragsters take off when racing for 1/4 mile time on a track
The import drags are booooring, now if you can get one to launch like a rwd domestic then we'll be talking :D now this IS torque :eek:

http://members.cox.net/june1967/camarowheelie

http://members.cox.net/madhatter24/mustangwheelie

toyota supra what?

http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/69z_supra.wmv

http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/are_rapid_951.wmv

Nathan 12-21-2003 04:01 PM

What about Import Drag with skylines, supras, and Nissan Zs? They ARE RWD\AWD.

FWD cars can go fast, especially when they don't need to go straight real fast. They excel at non-american styles of racing, like touring. When properly set up, a FWD car can be decent at drag, but it really isn't thier thing.

Remember- there is more to racing than going straight really fast:D .

NovaDK 12-21-2003 08:39 PM

yeah I know but he was talking about drag racing so my response was towrds drag racing. The only sport I dont see much domestic involvement is rally racing it seams alway to be imports. I love auto racing scca, irl, baja, v-8 supercars, imsa and so on. I never seen an import have so much torque where the whole front end lifts in the air, 2jz-gt (supra inline 6) has a very strong bottom end the highest hp is 1236 horsepower, the most hp from a cobra stock bottom end has been 1389 hp. I never will like FWD since they came out for people that cant drive and you cannot build hp from a fwd tranny set up without blowing the trans up, some of the supra guys use the GM th350 hydroglide auto tranny opposed to the toyota trans. After Im don ewith my firebird build (350 chevy 450hp 700hp wih nitrous) Im going to build a nissan 240 sx with afully built sr20 swap set for drifting competition.

charliebrown 12-21-2003 10:21 PM

Re: FWD XMOD!! YES! Front Wheel Drive!!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by MicroRCracer
Another thing a Mini-Z will never have...
This is for those interested in converting your Xmod into a FWD. Yes, front wheel drive!! Now, I have three XMod Supras!! AWD, RWD, and now front wheel drive. I love all of the different drive characteristics that they have!!

Here is what you ahave to do.. I used the 5 yellow bushings for spacers to replace the rear diff.. It's amazing of how much low end front wheel drive torgue the car has epecially racing on carpet. Reminds me of the real import Honda dragsters take off when racing for 1/4 mile time on a track. Handling handles just like a real FWD car, kinda like an RSX or Civic.

Please refer to the picture below..:p

I don't mean to put you down or anything....but I prefer sticking with the RWD as it is. See, with RWD you get sharper turns, which is useful for drifting. AWD decreases the turning radius, and FWD will decrease it even more. So, I still prefer to race with RWD. No offense man, just my $.02.

Chuckster...

Mr BigShot 12-24-2003 11:28 AM

LOL FWD
 
Come on how long do think this will last lol Those crappy plastic parts can't handle the abuse of just driving around . My .02

SKYHIGH 12-24-2003 12:49 PM

Hey MrBigShot you should really consider not hating on everybody eles stuff. Thats all you ever post is crap. If you're so good and such a MrBigShot go on to bigger better things. Just my $.02.

Also, I have the FWD set-up on my Rsx and it has a smaller turning radius thean the awd on my skyline. I think it is because the rear wheels aren't pushing it any more. On our garage floor it will slip just enough and then get traction to finish the turns on our track.

newbitowner 12-30-2003 03:34 PM

I'd attempt to make my car FWD if it was suppose to be FWD.

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yellow Skyline

RS rubber tires

RS metal bearings

RS stage 2 motors

IC-3 AAA's

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Joey 12-30-2003 05:34 PM

Well sure, completely understandable if you're doing it to a Civic or RSX. I assumed those were front-wheel drive to being with, anyway; apparently not.

I tried making a FWD Civic out of Legos once...Legos and two motors I tore out of a New Bright C4 Corvette. It didn't turn at all - wouldn't FWD give you a really terrible steering problem with XMODS? All the weight is behind the drive wheels, and they've got to handle twice the work.

nobodyhere962 12-30-2003 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nathan
If you've ever dropped the clutch anywhere above 2000 RPMs in a real FWD car, you know how the traction is:D . I drive a civic- I know.

I've seen FWD dragsters too-I'd like to know how they do it.

My FWD XMOD cracks me up. It does some mad burnouts in my garage, and even understeered into a wall:D .

the dragsters use wheelie bars to keep them from losing traction

Joey 12-30-2003 07:43 PM

That, and the engine is meticulously balanced right where it'll allow for the most downward force on the front wheels. That's the point of FWD anyway.

nobodyhere962 01-01-2004 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joey
That, and the engine is meticulously balanced right where it'll allow for the most downward force on the front wheels. That's the point of FWD anyway.
yeah that too

NovaDK 01-01-2004 02:32 PM

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the dragsters use wheelie bars to keep them from losing traction
What the heck are you talking about? The reason why dragsters have wheelie bars is that they have So much torque when the big slicks grab the car would could basically flip its self over basically ALL the cars weight is over the back 2 tires. The FWD dragsters use em because they dont have the ability to shift the weigh to the rear to keep traction so it basiclly makes a longer wheel base for more weight to balance over the front end. If you watch a RWD car launch off the line the car will squat on the rear tires giving it better grip, on a FWD the tire just spin causing no traction and a small chirp is heard.

Quote:

That, and the engine is meticulously balanced right where it'll allow for the most downward force on the front wheels. That's the point of FWD anyway.
The point and reason of a FWD car was most people cannot drive in rainy or snowy condidtions and that they thought by placing the weight over the front tires it would help the dummies out. I have drivin FWD in the snow and would take a RWD anyday of the week since I can add as much weight to the back end a s possible, and I know how to drive. Besdes ALL supercar or highperformance cars are RWD or midrear engine RWD why would that be? O yea RWD is better for performance cars the list, Corvette, GT40, Ferraris(sp), Porsch, Supra, Skyline r33, BMW's, Mr2, S2000, Lambo, Eris, Super 7, Camaro/firebird, GN, Mustang, Viper, nascar Even the V-8 super cars take a stock FWD and make it into a RWD.

NovaDK 01-01-2004 02:44 PM

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What about Import Drag with skylines, supras, and Nissan Zs? They ARE RWD\AWD.

FWD cars can go fast, especially when they don't need to go straight real fast. They excel at non-american styles of racing, like touring. When properly set up, a FWD car can be decent at drag, but it really isn't thier thing.

Remember- there is more to racing than going straight really fast
They Do drag race with RWD Imports as well and I have seen em with wheelie bars to keep the traction. This is what you ment by touring cars right? http://www.eurostc.com/ G all those are rear wheel drive ALL motorsports are almost aways RWD Indy, KART, IRL, nasecar, v-8 super cars, drift cars everything minus the scca and other smaller budget form of racing. Basically all FWD cars of today are mainly for economy cars, I dont consider 14 seconds in the quater mile with upgrade fast but for a honda it is?


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