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NovaDK 01-07-2004 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by Darklancer
That's Very interesting, I don't think I'd do it tho, it ruins drifting ability in cars and after all, drifting is the fastest known way to corner
Kindof like how the fastest way between 2 points is a giant circle.

spitty12 01-08-2004 01:50 AM

This reminds me of the time I was told that a Super chager develops power by making the belts spin faster. I just laughed and let it go so he could make a fool out of him self again.

adiosk8r13 01-08-2004 07:50 PM

once I get my 4WD kit I will make it 2WD and put it on my rsx so it will be more realistic and I could probably beat my friends in drift matches

Darklancer 01-08-2004 08:43 PM

For the record, Drifting IS the fastest known way to corner if u do it right, let me explain to u how.

It's called power of momentum. When you use racing line cornering you must slow your car to a speed which will allow the proper turning radius, you also travel a longer distance to complete the turn. However, when you use the power of drifting you use the momentum of your car to defy friction, which in some terms to people would normally mean the car spins out, but, when the proper technique is used, you can maintain nearly complete controll of a car. Now, to explain how drifting is faster.
When you work into a drift, you must gain the highest speed you can to get the right amount of momentum, when you approach the turn you would quickly countersteer and let off the accelerator, then pull your car into the turn, at the point when the back end of your car has the most (centrifical) force applied to it, you hit the accelerator, thus causing the wheels to loose grip of the road (which is why most drift cars have powerful, high torque engines) other people use the e-brake, but that ruins the transmission, you then once again countersteer so your front wheels do not slide, giving you controll of your car (this is why all wheel drive is not good for drifting, as it would pull your car forward, thus straightening the car). Once you approach the end of the curb, you straighten out your car and let off the accelerator, putting friction back to the rear wheels, you then (once your car is straight with the end of the curb) apply the accelerator, propelling you out of the curb. This, in turn, gives you a higher entering, turning, and exiting speed, and also gives you a shorter turning distance (Which is variable because you can drift at the center, middle, or end of the curb), thus making it the fastest, AND most effective way to corner.

NovaDK 01-08-2004 09:04 PM

A) How old and what grade are you in?
B) been watching/hangin around ricers to much
C) What kind of crack are you smoking?

Name One type of REAL racing on tarmac use drift? Drifting=all show no go

Joey 01-08-2004 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darklancer
When you use racing line cornering you must slow your car to a speed which will allow the proper turning radius, you also travel a longer distance to complete the turn.
Quote:

Originally posted by NovaDK
What kind of crack are you smoking?
Tires don't live forever, either.

spitty12 01-08-2004 09:41 PM

LMFAO darklancer keep the good stuff coming. Your post is wrong in so many ways I'm not going to try to explain it. Racing line is always fastest on road. Go do some reading or testing and figure it out man. What are your qualifications that make you the authority on this?

MicroSpeed 01-09-2004 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by adiosk8r13
once I get my 4WD kit I will make it 2WD and put it on my rsx so it will be more realistic and I could probably beat my friends in drift matches
We'll see about that:D

Darklancer 01-10-2004 06:22 PM

I Have my sources for my opinions, and I haven't seen any of yours. How about you explain to me how RL Cornering is faster than drifting, and then tell it to the people who win races drifting every day, AND explain to me why it is the most popular form of racing in the world today?

P.S. My sources Include:
-Motor Trend
-GT I, II, And III
-Personal friends
-Professional Street-Racers
-Online Databases from LT Tests
-NFSU

These sources ALL explain why and how drifting is faster that RL Cornering:mad: :mad: :mad:

Joey 01-10-2004 08:19 PM

It is no less than hilarious that you list a video game about ricer cars as a viable source of information regarding real-life physics of real-life driving. And for that, ha. The Gran Turismo series, while mind-bendingly realistic in terms of virtual reality, is not the same as driving a car.

Drifting is the most popular form of 'racing' in the world today because it's fun to watch as well as perform. Popular culture, my friend, wants little more than to be pandered to. It's a lot more exciting to see someone sliding through a turn (for most people between the ages of fourteen and sixty) than it is to see someone apex the line over the same turn. It's just as difficult, just as honorable, and just as demanding, it's just not faster, that's all. Don't get offended because it's not the professional approach or anything.

If you're so obsessed with the Japanese, have a sit and watch a Grand Touring Championship - tell me how many of those cars drift on purpose, and actually benefit from it. The races people win by drifting are the races in which drifting is the mian focus.

Front-wheel-drive XMODS are neat.
I declare this post relevant.
:D

Darklancer 01-11-2004 03:35 PM

*Sigh* Whatever, you think what you want, this whole argument is foolish and frankly I'm damn tired of it. I'll stop if u ppl will.

kasper01001 01-11-2004 03:58 PM

I just gotta get this off my chest, I agree with both sides, Drifting is good for cornering, I have tried it before while cornering and I can say its fast, But I noticed after only a few drifts the threads on my car was almost completely gone :eek: , In conclusion the Profesional racers don't drift while cornering because i'll waist the thread, even if they have slicks, yea Drifting is kool but, u can't get to the finish line with no grip on your tires :D :cool:

OK, i'll stop now lol

Darklancer 01-11-2004 08:08 PM

Kasper I think u got it. I never said it didn't thrash on ur tires, hell it thrashes tires worse than I thrash on my guitar!:D Which is why alot of ppl who do it have either alot of money, or alot of sponsors, so they can get new tires.

spitty12 01-12-2004 02:58 AM

Lancer give it up. Pro street racers? LOL. Personal friends can be idiots and most of you know this. NFSU is just a ricer game that is really bad in the realism department, I find it to be a horribly annoying game. I've been into autox'ing and racing and have studied the racing line and the physics behind it. Yes, you think you carry momentum through the turn sliding wheels do not have nearly the same traction as normal cornering and you still have to slow for drifting.

Kasper what are your qualifications? How old are you kids?

Here are a few things I found on the net to back me up:

"Although sliding sideways, with the tail of the car hanging out and the steering in full opposite lock, looks spectacular, it’s slow. And it causes excessive tire wear."


Check out this forum on the racing line the fastest way to corner:
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-30337.html

Darklancer 01-13-2004 11:07 PM

hmm...I wonder why every1 else stopped the whole thin but u, spitty, maybe it's because ur 2 damn STUBBORN. Dude, let it go, geez.


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