RTR abc dtm sp?

[andrzejpw]

How much would it cost to build a ready to race dtm sp? Let's say about bare minimum here. . .

[The Thunderer]

Check out the shop... but here's some help. Remember, you'll need a body too. I can't remember where to get those... But look at the other posts, they're VERY helpful.

Electronics for DTM (http://www.tinyrc.com/shop/product.php?pid=31)

DTM Basic Set (http://www.tinyrc.com/shop/products.php?pid=3)

I've got a used one and with a stock Micro RS4 motor, it is FAST. I can't imagine how fast I'm gonna go when I hop it up!!!

[tinyrc]

I can't remember where to get those

We've got some on the way...

[andrzejpw]

would I also need an engine? :(

[tinyrc]

andrzejpw, the basic kit comes with a motor. Feel free to post any other questions you have about what you need / what you get. :)

[andrzejpw]

lol, well, because of the fact that it would cost upwards of $200, I think I'll pass. But I WILL, otoh, get a mini-z in a few months. I mean, it seems to be pretty upgradeable, and reasonably priced.

[MicroRCEngineering]

IMHO, the ABC is the best bang for the buck. But why not get both?

[andrzejpw]

Something with the fact that that would be about $350. :)

[was ist los?]

do they only run foams or can you use rubber tires?

[Ted theMechanic]

Hi there, I see you're in for a small scale racer and that you're considering the ABC SP. But then I read...

"lol, well, because of the fact that it would cost upwards of $200, I think I'll pass. But I WILL, otoh, get a mini-z in a few months. I mean, it seems to be pretty upgradeable, and reasonably priced."

What am I missing here? Let me see... you'll pass on a $200 car, just to buy something MORE EXPENSIVE ??! Right, 'cause we all know that a mini-z is relatively "reasonably priced" but what you get is a pile of ill performing parts lashed up to resemble an r/c car. In order to get anything remotely similar to the word "high-performance" you'll need to spend THREE or FOUR times the purchase price. And wait, thats not all...

It will NEVER EVER handle like an ABC or a Tamtech or anything else nomatter how much money you spend. Unless, that is, you buy a mini-z FORMULA 1. That is a totally different story.:D

[andrzejpw]

The mini-z will only be for light use, etc. Maybe one day, when I get a real job, I'll consider the abc dtm. Unless I can find one used. . . I mean, I'd need to buy TONS of stuff to get the abc ready to run.

The mini-z, otoh, I realize it won't perform nearly as well. But I can buy it cheaply and upgrade, if I want, as I go.

[Ted theMechanic]

But buy an F1. That way you'll get the best from two worlds. RTR at a relatively ok price and the possibility to upgrade as you go along. The F1 really is a stunning performer.

Have fun!

[andrzejpw]

How much would a bare-bones dtm cost? Basically, rtr.

[was ist los?]

well mine that i just puchased is near bare bones:
abc dtm sp-$75
body-$11
battery pack-$28
ipd race-20 speed control-$45
hitec hs-81mg servo-$22
already have radio, reciever, and charger
paint-depends
this is probably around $190-195 shipped.
you could buy an airtronics/sanwa es-01 speedcontrol-$30 and hs-81-$18 and that saved you about 19 dollars if you already have the radio gear. note that i purchased from www.horizonhobby.com, www.servocity.com, and www.micrors4racer.com
you could just pic up an airtronics blazer sport or futaba magnum sport. i recommend the latter. they would be around $4o-50.

[andrzejpw]

I have nothing. So it'd be around $250?

[was ist los?]

that is a pretty good estimate, but which charger will you buy. i would suggest a more expensive peak charger, which detects when the pack is fully charged and will not damage the pack by charging the pack further. personally, i have a midrange charger, the duratrax intelipeak deluxe, which has 2 cooling fans and an ac/dc converter at around $75. you could get the lower models that would suit you needs better. i recommend the mrc superbrain 819, 959, or intellipeak pulse. you could purchase all these along with a radio at www.towerhobbies.com
i will even give you links:
819: couldnt find it sorry
959: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXAVN1&P=7
intellipeak pulse: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXUF43&P=7

i would recommend some cheap radios such as the futaba magnum sport or airtronics blazer.
magnum sport: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXASX2**&P=7
blazer: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXWC45**&P=7
the blazer is more expensive, but comes with the es-01 speedcontrol and mini servo at $80-great deal!

[tinyrc]

The Blazer/ES-01 package is a pretty smart idea. Would people be interested if we offered an DTM package including the SP or X4 plus this electronics package?

[andrzejpw]

Probably. :) SO then I'd just need a charger?

[Clique]

I think this will be convenient to some people who always wonder what electronics will fit and how much money they need to spend total to make a SP/X4 (or other bare-bone r/c car kits) ready to run.

However, I'd only be interested if a RTR SP/X4 package comes with higher performance components instead of the stock items that are normally sold separately. So different people have different tastes, budgets, and levels of enthusiasm.

So TinyRC, may I suggest the following:

1) Suggest different classes (stock vs. various vendors' mod-ups) of components in each category (esc, motors, batteries, servos, tx, rx, etc.) that may fit and are well suit for different purposes&budgets for a particular r/c model.

and...

2) Allow buyers to configure their package w/ different components based on the recommended configurations in 1) above.

I think TinyRC and some of the experienced users of each r/c model can comment on their preferred configurations. Base on the collected info, I think it wouldn't be hard to come up with 1) above for the new comers (like myself).

Of course, at the end the total packaged cost must be competetive. And I believe people will appreciate the info&service provided by this site and would rather buy from here for convenience instead of shopping different pieces themselve and wonder what the end result will be.

Anyway...these are just some of my thoughts and don't know if people can really benefit like I'd myself. I know it will be a lot of time and work for TinyRC to talk to different vendors and to compile the collected info for recommending configurations (on each r/c model) for different people, but I think it can be a sound business idea that many vendors are using to sell different types of products online.

[tinyrc]

Cool ideas! We'll work on putting something like this together!

[Bez]

OK can someone please help me out?

I have a 1/10th scale electric, so I have radio gear for that (transmitter, servo's, receiver). I also have 2 very basic, cheap chargers. Would I need a different charger to enable me to charge the battery for the DTM SP?

So what would I need to buy altogether?

Thanks in advance. :)

[tinyrc]

Bez, do you know the exact part names etc.? If so, we can tell you what will work and what won't.

[Bez]

Well my transmitter is a Sanwa Dash Saber and a Futaba R112JE receiver. The servo needed on these cars is a mini servo isn't it? And my chargers are as basic as they come, you can't adjust the amp rate or anything on them, so I guess I would need a new charger? Does this help?

[tinyrc]

Well, the Rx you have isn't the smallest around, so you will have to be creative when fitting it. And yes, you'll need a micro servo. It sounds like the charger you have won't be able to handle AAA cells, since it doesn't have adjustable current.

[was ist los?]

how many amps do i charge the packs at? .6, .7amps?

[tinyrc]

You can go higher than that, 1A or so.

[was ist los?]

cool thanks

[Bez]

Would I need an ESC or does it already have a speed control?

[tinyrc]

You would need a speed control, something inexpensive like the ES-01 would work.