has any one tried the spin brush motor mod?

[stl2ner]

Just wondering if anyone here has tried it, I saw it on another board, I have two of these motors sitting around and was thinking about giving it a try.

[dEmOnRaCeR]

I have no clue wut this mod is can u explain or give a link.

[stl2ner]

http://www.xmodworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=93

[rallger]

looks nice

waht kind of stuff would u need in relation to pinion pullers/pinions etc

[sokalxballa]

hmmmmz, I got a billion motors laying around I took out of old broken toys.... I'm going to need a testmod. Does the gear on the spin brush fit right into the xmods gear or do I need to swap?

[stl2ner]

you need to either buy a pinion or pull a pinion from an xmod motor.

[xmodsupra]

I just got my supra today, in fact i just got it together an hour ago, i am going to pick up the 5th cell for the "super charger" and the brush tomorrow, sounds AWSOME.

[jaubery]

I tried the ff-180 or spin brush motor. The mod requires you to shim the rear motor mounts. You can't use the front mount at all. The motor also requires capacitors to be soldered onto it.

As far as performance goes I had dissapointing results. It has good acceleration, but the motor has no top end. A stage 2 drag is faster.

jaubery

[xmodsupra]

thats why u need to change the gear to 9 or 11

[stl2ner]

I have yet to insall the motor, cause I don't have a pinion puller, but the motors I have fit perfectly without any mods other than soldering on the connections and adding the correct pinion gear. are you sure you have the right motor?

[xmodsupra]

picking up paint, the SB motor, and the fifth cell tonight, o yes......

[jaubery]

xmodssupra,

I tried a 13 tooth pinion gear. The top speed was still no better than a stage 2 drag motor.

[jaubery]

stl2ner,

I have the right motor. The model number is ff-180sh-22100. It does not fit with the front mount on. Try putting the motor in without the pinion gear on for a test fit. You don't need a pinion puller to do the mod. Buy a mini-z pinion and grind it down a little.

[major skyline]

i did it, i used a Crest Spin-brush Pro. the motor fit perfectly. also u dont need a pinion puller, just use a propane torch to heat up the pinion. the brass will expand faster than the steel. then just use a pair of pliars to pull it off. i took the caps, pinion, and gear off of the blue stage 2. for the soldering just put alot of flux on the can an it works just fine. i used blue gear and the results were awesome just as much torque as the white stage 2 and just as topend as the yellow. very happy with it.

[sokalxballa]

As an extended experiment I wet out and bought Three different types of spinbrushes. I'm taking one for the team. I got the reach, The cologate and the Crest pro. I got the first to at Big lot for 3&4 dollars. I am opening them up in a minute, I'm going to take pics and make reports during the week as I test the size (will it fit?) and some other data.

[sokalxballa]

It's offical The only motor that will fit is the spinbrush motor I got the pro not sure if that makes a difference.

[stl2ner]

both motors I have, one is a spin brush pro, the other a reg, spin brush fit perfect, they are the exact same size as the stock motor.

[sokalxballa]

Motors

[stl2ner]

how do i take the cap off? oh a picture would be great, I am sort of new to modding rc motors, a little different than and actual cars motor :) thanks for any help.

[sokalxballa]

Does anyone know the RS past number for the capasitors used on the xmod motor?

[sokalxballa]

The spin bush is the easiest to open. Take a hammer and smash the battery case then peel the two sides off. The gear slides off with sissors. What cap are you talking about? From the xmod motor?

[stl2ner]

yeah from the xmod motor, I already have 2 spin brush motors waitng for a pinions, but I heard the caps were better from the xmod motor. so I am not sure how to take it apart, or exactly what it is :(

[sokalxballa]

Just desodder the caps from the xmod motor.

[stl2ner]

is the cap the black tube on the outside of the motor? with the resistor that is attached to the battery clips???

[stl2ner]

nevermind i'm an idiot, i know what it is now.

does anyone know if this pnion would work with the blue gear?

[sokalxballa]

what pinion?

[stl2ner]

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXATR7&P=7

sorry thought i added the link to my earlier post.

[sokalxballa]

Bro it's mad easy to figure that out just look at what is with the 12 tooth setup on the RS motor

[ejaf]

Just wondering...pulled out my Spin Brush last night (marked on the end cap with "Action"...think it is the right one), has anyone pulled apart a Braun toothbrush?

That way we may be able to use that good ol' German engineering. :D

Eric

[sokalxballa]

I just did Colgate, Reach and Crest. onlr 1 of out of three will fit I'm guessing the braun has a long circle motor like the reach.

[stl2ner]

not sure what you meant in your response, since there is no 12 tooth in the rs motors only an 11, I am hoping that the twelve tooth will fit with the 11 tooth gear, I guess when I get it next week i will find out.


oh I found another motor that will fit also, it is from a 10 dollar cybersonic tooth brush, i forget the brand name on the motor I will post it later, I want to do comparison runs with the spin brush, spinbrush pro, and cyber sonic motor, hopefully by next week i will have it all figured out.

[sokalxballa]

Oh there is no 12 tooth? that's not good, I guess I need to go read up on gears ratios I havn't looked into gearing since seventh grade. Hopefully they will fit. I will be doing intensive research as well so maybe we can work closely. I'm just waiting to buy another supra and a stage 2. MY check needs to come. The boss might give me some free ones too.

[xmodsupra]

cant wait to get my spinbrush pro, on lunch break hehe. Need my fifth cell still no time to go get it.

[sokalxballa]

I can't wait to buy my new Supra. I might get it this week. The motor should be complete buy then I hope. I just need the compnets and the connector.


I almost forgot to mention this, I came up with a sick idea. At RS we seel this $6.99(on sale) Infred red micro racer. I might use parts from it to some how make the Xmod have an extra funtion possibly ESN.

[xmodsupra]

my best friend works at RS, was thinking the same thing.

[xmodsupra]

how does this brush come apart.....

[sokalxballa]

HAMMER :)

[xmodsupra]

yea i was trying to salvage the casing but i threw that out the window, and have moved on to fighting with the damn xmod screws, i swear they are such a paint in the rear to remove.

Can i use the can from the xmod engine to avoid sokdering or do i need to use everything from the new motor.

[sokalxballa]

hmmm, never thought about it, I suppose you could, if it works let me know I'll do that to mine if it does. Damn it'll be a sleeper.

[sokalxballa]

Here's the gearing situation.... A 12 tooth will work depending on it's diameter. Diameter is everything. I'd say if you can find a 48 tooth or 52 tooth gear to fit with it you'd have a sick top end machine, accel would be kinda weak but it'd win races.

[xmodsupra]

she already is a sleeper, stock body just cutom paint hehe. I'm going to hook it up tomorrow i am exhausted and i cant get the engine bracket screws to release hehe. I am going to take the gear of my stock motor and try that for now when i get up tomorrow. When my mod is complete ill have pics and info on this mod because i know theres alot of questions about it.

[sokalxballa]

I might do it tomorrow along with you I'm tired too, Our supra are going to be the same. cept I' paintin mine mostly black. I got lights and I'm buying a nother one soon.

[ejaf]

Just pulled apart a Colgate "Disney" brush (Tazmanian Devil). 4.99 at Duane Reade.

Same company as my stage two motors, T.M.C. Motor. The resistance definitely feels stronger, but I was wondering how I could actually tell a difference if I pull it apart?

Anyone know? Or do I just have to count the winds while taking it apart.

Let me know.

E

[sokalxballa]

What's T.M.C ? I have a colgate motor too if you can use it lemme know.

[stl2ner]

i ordered the pinion, where would I find a gear for it? i was hoping it might work with the blue gear. the motor out of the cyber sonic brush is a mabuchi one, i am going to test them all out and see which one has the best top end and torque, and compare it to my rs motors.

[sokalxballa]

Me you and Xmod supra are all testing, I will be starting in about two hours on the motor.

[stl2ner]

my gear should be here today, not sure if I will have time before the weekend to put all the motors together, but I really hope that the 12 tooth pinion will work cause it would give it a lot more topend. appearently from what I have been reading not sure if it is true or not, but the spin brush motor is a mabuchi even thought the only one that has the name on it is the cyber sonic one. I have a brooken one that I took a part, how are the turns counted? do it just count how many times it is wrapped around on the inside? do a count all three post or just one of them.

[ejaf]

T.M.C. Motor is what is stamped on the plastic end of the Stage 2 motors from RS.

[sokalxballa]

okay kool I'm going to start on the airbrushing and possibly the new motor work later on. I gotta goto work at 4 est time but I'll be here taking pics and stuff.

[xmodsupra]

cant work on it till i get done work @10pm lol

[xmodsupra]

Well ive been playing with it for a while, heres a progress report:

Decided to use the internals from the crest motor and the can from the xmods motor to minimize soldering. It also comes with the benifit that i can tell my radioshack buddy that its the stock motor, i dont know why yours is so slow.

So i open the crest motor by lifting the two metal taps that hold the plastic end cap on the motor. The gear slides off the shaft fairly easy, i was suprised. Pull the internal crest assembly out, set it aside.

Now i grab the xmods motor, and try to pull the gear off....no go....ok so i grab the torch (hahah FIRE!!) and heat the gear up, in the process not only did i not get th gear off, i think i flubbed it up lmao.

So now tomorrowi am going to go get the stage two motor from my buddy (11 tooth) and pull the gear off with the pinion puller my dad apparently has burried in the basment, didnt know he had one.

So, thats progress so far, probably will have a running XMOD spinbrush setup tomorrow but it IS thanksgiving so i may not get to it, but i think i will.

[sokalxballa]

My paint was a failure. motor work tomorrow

[neurokinetik]

Originally posted by xmodsupra
Well ive been playing with it for a while, heres a progress report:

Decided to use the internals from the crest motor and the can from the xmods motor to minimize soldering. It also comes with the benifit that i can tell my radioshack buddy that its the stock motor, i dont know why yours is so slow.


As I pointed out in the motor windings thread, I don't think these spin brush motors get their power from the armatures. It's the magnets. They are thicker than any other motor magnets I have at the moment. Tight magnet to armature clearance = more torque.

[sokalxballa]

So basically you're saying if it were possible to change the cans it would change the torque, correct? Hmmm, wonder if for better or worse??

[xmodsupra]

So what your saying is that if i move the brush motor into the xmod can i wont be a big power difference because its the magnets in the brush's motor can that make it so powerful? Well ill take a break for the day then and wait for you to reply again, please if im steering myself wrong im open to suggestions.

[sokalxballa]

My supra is so ugly now :) So I'ma probably get right into the motor swap. I got IC3's today :). IF any can paint a supra I'll mail mine to them with some $$$. It's a glossy black now with red parts on it and the botom is faded into a speckeled red it looks like a project car. I can't wait till I can buy another one. That ones gonna just stay red but the lights will be tight on it. Xmodsupra... wish me luck I'm bout to start soldering :(

[xmodsupra]

I can pain it, but it could take as long as a week with my wacky work schedule and all. I'll get back to u when mine is done.

My dad said im better off to use the spinbrush motor AS IS and move all the parts to it instead of reusing the xmod can, so that the new direction. Well g'luck with the soldering, its time to drink and nail me a turkey.

[neurokinetik]

Well, I need to test this in a car, but I just swapped the magnets into a stage 1 motor, and can report that it gives the same instant response as the spin brush motor does. Rotating the motor shaft by hand, you can feel the magnets grabbing alot more than a stock stage 1. It did, however, lose some top end. I did the swap on the motor with the 10 tooth gear on it. I also was successful in swapping magnets without removing the armature from the motor can, which is huge, because the leading cause of death among all the motors I have been disassembing is the brass spacer at the front of the armature getting out of position from pulling pinions. I will do some testing on this setup later on, and then probably swap the magnets into the stage 2 can. Or else I'll go buy another spin brush so I can get an extra set of these magnets.

[sokalxballa]

My stage one motor was destoryed upon trying to pull pinion. they really do not like to come off. The can was completely smashed and the axle bent. But I got it off. I used the back off my stage one motor on the SB motor to cut back on soddering. it fit nicely. then I decided to test it befor I put the last few screws in. :D . It's mad acceleration and torque. IT's like a stage 7 drift motor. It was worth it. I need to test it out more tho. Watch out for my next update,

[sokalxballa]

I ran just about every running surface possible. The only downside to this motor is the top end so far. The top end is not that bad but I was hitting around the same or better with the stage one. I think with topend gearing this motor should out perform a RS motor. I was able to spin the tires on every surface. {asphalt, vynil, carpet, wood and concrete. with grippy tires and against walls. It does lose any traction however on take off. The motor seems to be under some stress but isn't hot. I'm consider doing a fifth or six cell since I have an N cell holder and a duall triple A holder. I'm just waiting to do more tests. This motor has so much torque that the brakes work 10 times better so good that you can double tap the oppsite direction and spin the tires. It doesn't get stuck in the carpet as much in fact it hasn't yet. I think with ethier a cell addtion or gearing this motor it definetly an upgrade to the RS motors. Any Questions???

[R33E8]

This sounds really promising. I going to have to try it right about now before more of my family come in start bothering me. I have like 5 spin brush pros at my house and i think about 2 diffrent Crest ones. The other Crest ones are rechargable but I'm going to smash them to. Why don't we call these motors SBP's or the SBP motor mod or somthing like that. My Xmod is broken but i just got about $400 today from working at the flea market ( I thought everybody would be cooking or somthing but amazingly I had about twice as muchs sales with my mom then we every had before.) Tommorow when the stores open back up, I'm going to go and get another Skyline or my first Supra.

[sokalxballa]

I have the Spinbrush Pro motor but I kinda like sayin SB motor but now that you mention it SBP is tight. I like the sound of that.

Random Xmod racer: Hey what you runnin, a stage 2?

Me: Nah cuz, I got a SBP motor spinin an 8 tooth gear.

I think it's time to seriously buy an N-cell so I can put it in. I can't wait. I ain't scarred to blow this car up, I'll yank another ecu outta a trashed Xmod. I'm here to mess up my car so other people don't have too. :)

[sokalxballa]

This is a funeral post for my dead motor. He wenti into the shop to donate a pinion and a back plate but he never made it out alive. We won alotta races together against the civic. Enjoy you new home a the top of my tool box.

[xmodsupra]

I got results! Ok so i used the SBP's motor in its entirety with one exception, i used the end cap from the xmod stage one because of the better brushes. I used the gear from the blue stage two motor.

What do i think? HOLY CHIT MAN! The first time i fired it up i pulled all four tires off the rims and the front end lifted, not much, but enough it didnt steer!! This is with a 5th cell also, sweet. Pics soon.

[sokalxballa]

I used the end cap too. I will be adding the N-cell soon it's lighter I think uses less room.I just need to buy an n-cell...

[oOfrog_BoyOo]

hmmm anychance of anybody selling these done ready to be installed for like $8 its about a $3 profit cuz stage 1 motors are $10 for 4 so thats $2.50 per motor and the toothbrush is what $2 so $2+$2.50=$4.50 and $8-$4.50=$3.50 so a $3.50 profit anit bad i would buy it for $8

[sokalxballa]

what a SBP motor? Just make one it's easy. I used my stock motor. so it cost me about $3

[xmodsupra]

SBP = Spin Brush Pro

[sokalxballa]

I know what a SBP is, I was asking if that's what he wanted for $8.

[stl2ner]

what pinion are you guys using? I was thinking of using my 11 tooth one, I bought a 12 tooth pinion for a mini z but it wouldn't work it was only as big as the drag motor pinion, and it was a little too long to make contact with the gear.

I also have a question, so if i take off the end cap from the motors, do I need to take any other internal pieces? I keep hearing about brushes but am not sure what they are, I am still new to modding motors on rc cars. other than that i know what else I have to do so I am all set on that, I am going to start my testing as soon as my pinion puller shows up. and I am going to start with the motor out of the cybersonic brush first, it is a mabuchi motor, which may be the same as the sbp and sb motor but not sure since this motor is the only one that actually has the companies name on it.

[xmodsupra]

the brushes are on the end cap. Just move the end cap from the xmod engine to the SBP motor. I am using the blue stage II 11t

[bolio]

does anybody have a picture of a spinbrush motor i found 180 size motors at a local surplus store for a $1.00 was wondering if they are the same i bought a couple to tryout i got it wired up will try it out when i get a pinion puller

[neurokinetik]

Well, I just tested my stage 1 motor, 10 tooth pinion with the spin brush magnets against my timing-advanced stage 2 drag, and I am very impressed. Not sure about how the top end speed is, but the acceleration is as fast as the drift motors. Speed with these magnets in an otherwise stock stage 1 motor is much better than the stock spin brush motor. I need to go buy a couple more of these things and swap them into all my other motor cans.

[oOfrog_BoyOo]

I so want to buy a sbp motor with an 11 toothe pinion for like $8 becuase i dont realyy wana buy i pinion puller well i owuld but i cant find one around here right now

[Bulldozer]

neurokinetik, how is that possible? doesnt the spin brush have basically the same armature as a stage 2?

[stl2ner]

the stage one motors as well as the stage two motors are sll the same except for the pinion gear correct? just wondering because I am going to be trashing a few of my motors for the parts and incase I want to use a rs motor again I want to be able to put whatever pinion I wanted on depending on the situation.


one more thing, when i pull my pinion off for my mabuchi motor do i have to do anything to keep it on or is it held on by pressure, or do i need some sort of glue or soldering?

[sokalxballa]

YOU DO NOT NEED A PINION PULLER

STAGE TWO MOTOR ARE DIFFERENT THAN STAGE TWO. THE AMOUNT OF WINDS ARE DIFFERENT, THerefore changing RPM. Stage 1 = 26,000 rpm Stage 2 = 30,000

To remove pinion without a puller is possible but will destory your motor if you're not extremly careful. you must use FORCE to get it off or Heat. (not too much)

Brushes are just two little metal pieces that are one the end cap of motors. The RS motors have them but SBP and SB motors do not. That is why we keep the RS end cap and also to cut back on soldering.

Do not change the internals of the SBP motor unless you are trying to lose torque.

An 8 tooth setup and spin motor will have very low top end and excessive torque (good for drifting and drag)

An 11th tooth SBP setup is a more practical application for balencing thatr torque/top end of an SBP.

To get a 8 tooth setup you get a high top end a 5th or 6th cell must be added. The is detrimental to your Xmod. Thermal bbreak down and wear can occur if you run allot. For those people who can easily repair X-mod or have a few dollars I feel it's worth it. an 11 tooth fifth cell is also a beatiful application.

I will be performing a 5-th n cell soon.

[rallger]

i want to do this but i am a little bit confused and would like some clarification. iallrite so the pinion which is the gear thing at the end of the motor is taken off and then it just pushes onto the sbp and u can just snaop tht eback of a stage 1 or stock onto the back and your golden? this sonds a little too easy. please correct me on anything.

[Bulldozer]

I think thats right, pretty easy.

I will probably do this mod today, because both other motors i owned are ruined (stock, and stage 2 top speed) I pulled the pinion with a stove and pliers, not good.

[hotrod29728]

Help! Im a newbie and i need help...

I want to know if i can run a slot car motor in the x mods cars?
the timing is like 36 degrees and the motor is hand wound
the motor is the same size as the SBP motors but im not sure what kind of energy they need ...
I havent even gotten my X MOD yet but when i get it in the mail i am gonna take it back and swap it for a black civic or a skyline {as of right now its a white supra} but i am hoping some one can help me with this....
Its a group 12 or X-12 motor with 36 degrees timing but also there is a super 16-D and a rotor motor by Parma that i wanna try too...
If someone can help me it would be nice and also if i get my car and thses work i will post an answer......

Thanks Again
Josh
bbgtr b27m :bled: b6way

[xmodsupra]

Originally posted by Bulldozer
I think thats right, pretty easy.

I will probably do this mod today, because both other motors i owned are ruined (stock, and stage 2 top speed) I pulled the pinion with a stove and pliers, not good.

haha i tried that 2

[Bulldozer]

w00t! I did it, with the 11 tooth gears its AWESOME, I also bought the foam tires and the suspension kit today, drift heaven.

[Mr BigShot]

Well after reading this tread i went out and got a spin brush. Then I riped it apart ,and took the motor out :) Nexted I went to my local hobbie shop and bought a Nice pinion puller for 8.99 + tax . When i got home i pulled the gear off , switched the plastic end cap , and resoldered every thing . OMG this thing has torque like you would'nt believe :p So much torque that I messed up the rear end in my car , and had to super glue something together just to get it to work again:D After that i found one of kids rummage sale box's with 3 crapy Rc cars in it , and ripped the motor's out of them.Two were a little bigger then the Xmod motors , but I think i can get them to work . There were also 2 that were the same size . One even had the same company name as the Xmod motor. Well I have to end my wonderful story of my day cause my wife :mad: <---"that's her" is Beepin cause it 1:07am and i have come to bed yet :eek:

[maikeru]

Pictures? could we get some of those i can't understand what you are talking about without visual aids.

[neurokinetik]

Originally posted by rallger
i want to do this but i am a little bit confused and would like some clarification. iallrite so the pinion which is the gear thing at the end of the motor is taken off and then it just pushes onto the sbp and u can just snaop tht eback of a stage 1 or stock onto the back and your golden? this sonds a little too easy. please correct me on anything.

Well, you can get away with switching pinions once or twice, at most, normally. There is a brass spacer that tends to get mashed into the windings of the armature when you pull pinions. When this happens, there is alot of play in the motor shaft. Worse, it can cut into the windings, shorting them out.

[sokalxballa]

Originally posted by maikeru
Pictures? could we get some of those i can't understand what you are talking about without visual aids.

What do you want pics of?
Let me describe this swap in extreme detail.

1. Remove stock motor.
2. The gear on the end of the motor shaft is a brass pinion and it can be removed. As I stated earlier your stock motor will probably take heavy damage if you attempt to pull it off with pliers or without a pinion puller. However you pull it off do it really carfully because the brass gear is easy to destroy by bending the teeth on it. Once you remove the gear set it aside.
3. Still with the stock motor, desolder or heat up the the two sodders conecting the capacitors to the side of the motor. It just looks like a metal hunk on each side. you can use a small torch if you wish. Once those capacitors are free from the side of the motor you will now be able to remove the stock backing plate.
4. Locate the two metal tabs on the side of thee motor. They will be folded into the plastic bacikng plate. find a small screw driver or needle nse pliers and pry them out torward you. do not pry them past the motor shell. after that the plate will be free.
5. Gently pull backing plate from stock motor. set aside.
6. Repeat back plate removal on SBP motor.
7. You may notice that the back plate of the RS motor has to metal strips hanging down with two little blocks of metal that rub on the shaft while the SBP back plate has none. Those are called brushes. The RS motor has good brushes for BETTER contact with the shaft. also you will see that the RS back plate has all the capacitor and connections still on it!!!
8. Place RS motor backing plate on to SBP motor can. be sure the brushes get on ethier side of the shaft.
9. BEnd tabs back so the hold the backing plate on tightly. make sure you shaft spins easily but not too loose.
10. Put the pinion or brass gear on the shaft of the SBP motor. does can be done by putting the gearon a hard suface and the motor shaft into and lighty tapping the rear of the shaft lightly force int motor down and the gear on.
11. Congrats!!! if you did this and you motor spins with a good looking gear on the end you've sucessfully created you own custom SBP (Brush High Torgue) Motor. Place an xmod sticker on it or what ever you want. even put a stock sticker on it to foool people.
12. place yellow sleeves on and reinstall motor as if it was stock.
13. make sure every thing turns smooth if not you may need to readjust the gear postion on the shaft. this is usually not an issue as long as you do not put the gear on the shaft all the way so it rubs the can.
14. DRIFT if you used an 8 tooth setup or rag it out if you got a 11 tooth.
15. Post here telling us how you have burned most of you tires off :)

[sokalxballa]

Aiight boys I have finally done it! The 5th N-cell mod is completed and running. This prototype supra is definetly not the fastest I can bulid but definetly no one will have me in drifting. The top end on this thing could take a stage two top end I think I'm racing later so I'll tell you. The placement of the n-cell is perfect no cutting or anything no unly rise in the rear no cells hangin out the bottom.

[sokalxballa]

:D

[sokalxballa]

The blue twist tie is going to come off soon b/c I'm going to make a snap in mount.

[sokalxballa]

My paint is so bad but that's what happens when you lose control and roll over. I'm going to respray in a few days and I'm gettin a new X MOD :)

[hotrod29728]

someone please help me out with the slot car motors !!!!!!!!!!!

[stl2ner]

I know that stage one and two motors are different. my question was whether each of the stage ones were the same except gearing. and the stages two motors were the same except for the gearing, not whether all the motors are the same, i know the stage ones have a different wind than the stage twos.

tomorrow i try out my cybersonic motor, the magnets are diiferent the the sbp and sb ones and it has a nicer looking wind, i think it may not have as much torq but I am hoping for some good top end.

[sokalxballa]

YEAH THE STAGE ONES ARE EXCATLY THE SAME AS EACH OTHER CEPT GEARING

[GhettoFiedRacin]

ive done it... with extremely good results .... GO BUY A SPINBRUSH:D

[Revlis]

Originally posted by hotrod29728
someone please help me out with the slot car motors !!!!!!!!!!!

You may need a turbo to run some slot car motors.

[hotrod29728]

what kind of turbo?
like a fifth or sixth cell?
or something diffrent?
i am new with these little things...

[neurokinetik]

Originally posted by jaubery
I tried the ff-180 or spin brush motor. The mod requires you to shim the rear motor mounts. You can't use the front mount at all. The motor also requires capacitors to be soldered onto it.

As far as performance goes I had dissapointing results. It has good acceleration, but the motor has no top end. A stage 2 drag is faster.

jaubery

Wait a minute, is the motor in the "Pro" version different than the "Multiangle" or "standard" versions of the Spin Brush? Because I did not use a "Pro", and the motors are a standard FA-130 sized, exactly the same size as the XMod motors.

[sokalxballa]

They are the same, The person you quote didnot buy a spinbrush motor as they are a perfect fit.

[fr33flow]

is anyone looking to sell one with a blue pinion installed and the other things soldered on also.


email me at fr33flow@msn.com or AIM at p8ntballer1788

[stl2ner]

i have a pro and reg spin brush motor and they appear to be exactly the same, wind, magnet size everything. I am going to test all my motors tomorrow to see which one has the best times, acceleration and such. I am testing a stage one drift, a stage two drift, drag, race, and top speed, along with a spin brush motor with 11 tooth pinion, and a mabuchi motor out of a cyber sonic tooth brush also with 11 pinion. orgingallly i thought the mabuchi might be the fastest, but after just hooking the motor up with out a gear, I am leaning more towards the sbp motor. I'll make a post with times and distances tested tomorrow.

[basketballphile]

haha so much talk about these SBP motors I cant wait to install it(its easy right???) but one question do they drain out batts really quickly....and one more thing I saw the IC-3 RADIO SHACK batts not rayovaks selling for 39.99 at rs they are the same right in power output?? and also I saw the duracell rechargeable batts (dont think they rechange in 15min) but information said: Duracell Accu Rechargeable 1800mAh AA NiMH Batteries for 19.99 and they cheaper so I was wondering if I went with these and the the rayovaks or the rs's IC-3 batt it would be the same???

[basketballphile]

* and not the

[xmodsupra]

the rechargeable RS battery kit is a must...

[sokalxballa]

I have IC3's by Rayovac which is only 19.99 at walmart. 1/2 the price of Radioshack even after my discount. So yeah I love them allot. Good run times too, I need to find a rechargable N-cell now :)

[hotrod29728]

i may be 13 but ive been dealing with slotcar motors for like 5 years... the size of the magent doesnt matter the pull of the magentic field is...
i hae a group 12 motor right here that the mags are so strong when you turn the armature you can feel the maggs pulling at the motors its got kinda like a brake on it from the magnets too because the magnetic pull is so strong when you let go of the throttle

[Bulldozer]

while thats true, having thicker magnets helps to close the gap between the mag and the armature, creating more torque.

[stl2ner]

well the stage one and twos appear to have the same size magnets, winds is different on the armature, but the stage two motors have a stronger magnets, which to me should make more torque, considering the magnets on the sping brush motor are even stronger and the car has tons of torque.

[sokalxballa]

Today at work I found this motor I pulled out of a broken R/C car. it was for a wrench on this R/c truck. It just happens to be a TMC motor (big surprize, not really ) so Guess what I'll be doing? YEP, I'll be swapping it into my supra and runnig it. I'll have a motor motor in addition to my Modified SBP motor which I still love. I'ma call this new motor TMC-X for experimental I'll keep yall updated of this post.

[sherifx]

I know people are suggesting the 8 tooth pinion for balance (if I remember correctly) but has anybody tested the results with the different gearing? Like 20ft times & 50ft times to see how acceleration & top end are affected?


sherif

[stl2ner]

i have a post where I did 50 foot times, I haven't been able to do highspeed test yet cause it is rainy here, and I don't have any where inside big enough to test.


I tested the spin brush motor with an 11 tooth pinion and it had the best 50 foot times, I guess If I used a lower gear with it I would probably see better 50 fot times. But I want to have some top end as well as take off :)

[sherifx]

I saw that post. I'm actually curious regarding 20ft or less times because 50ft imho is long enough for a lower geared car to get a jump, but reach its limit, whereas a higher geared car would lack the start up speed but be able to catch up at the top end.


sherif

[hotrod29728]

i will pay someone 15 dollars shipped if they will build me a motor im scared to build one and id rather you pros do this for me i will send the stock SBP motor if needed but someone please help me!!!!!!!!

[sokalxballa]

I will build you one.... You can reach me at ethier AIM:Spikegargar or Email Gcarter5@hotmail.com

[sokalxballa]

Stage II Vs SBP 5th N-cell Results....

My car is geared horribly wrong, because I have drift gears on a high torque motor which pretty much destory's all hopes of having a good top end. I raced my friend at work on a flat smooth surface in the mall. We both have supras but I have the 5th N-cell SBP motor setup. I thought that I'd take off and get a jump but he'd come back but actually I got a good jump on him a held it for a while he caught up as we where running outta range but couldn't pass. they have even top end. So basically the SBP motor is going to just give you allot more torque, I also have a way longer battery life than a stage two motor even thoI'm using more batteries, if I remove my N-cell I still run about the same speed but my top end isn't as good. I think the n-cell doesn't carry as much amperage as a AAA battery so I might switch it over to a IC3 AAA then it should haul. I cannot wait till I get enuff money to get the ACura RSX runnin, and a new supra. I love my first supra but it has been wrecked so many times I need somthing fresh for show purposes. My supra is now gunmeatal and very pretty. I almost hate driving it because it was loose control really easily from wheel spin. I've lost it into mall posts plenty of times to know I need some new grip.

[MicroRCTuner]

Can you run a SB Motor on Stock ESC and everything and not fry your electronics? because I want a fast reliable long lasting motor to switch my stock with..PS: Do any of you do SB Hyrbid Conversions? S2 Parts Mixed with SB Parts..I hear it really livens things up

[neurokinetik]

Originally posted by MicroRCTuner
Can you run a SB Motor on Stock ESC and everything and not fry your electronics? because I want a fast reliable long lasting motor to switch my stock with..PS: Do any of you do SB Hyrbid Conversions? S2 Parts Mixed with SB Parts..I hear it really livens things up

Yes, and yes. Hybrids are the best setup, IMO.... With the right combination (ie spin brush magnets, stage 2 arm with 5 turns removed, and timing advanced), you can have something that has the same top end as a stock stage 2, but with a much stronger midrange and low end, and sill be safe on the stock ESC.

[MicroRCTuner]

Okay thanks so regardless if I run a Hyrbid or a regular SB motor it will be safe on my stock ESC and wont fry it?

[neurokinetik]

Yeah, it'll be fine. :)

[sokalxballa]

I would only make a Hybird SBP motor, otherwise it's not going to be as good and easy to bulid. I raced my SBP supra against a stock one.... It was funny.

[That Guy 0147]

Hi everyone, I'm new to Xmods, new meaning I haven't opened mine yet :D. I read this whole thread, and with all the opinions flying around, it's a little confusing to know what I want to do....I have an Acura RSX, and I just took apart a Spinbrush motor. I'm going for the fastest I can get without losing too much torque, and I have very little soldering skills, and no access to a pinion puller. Any instructions for me?:confused:

[sokalxballa]

Get the gear off of a RS motor is the hardest thing ever. I use the back of two hammers really carfully. the gear is always going to get kinda ate up on one side but that's ok. it takes practice to learn how to pull it off. I suggest just trying hammers and pliers till you get it down pat. You will never lose torque with a SBP motor only gain

[That Guy 0147]

I tried it with pliers on the stock motor, and all that happened was that the gear got all mangled, and the armature somehow got loose inside the can, like it moves back and forth. Also, when I put it back in the car unchanged, I lost a lot of speed. That may be because the antenna soldering came off, but logic dictates that that would only affect range...it's a good thing I have the Stage 2 upgrades....