FWD XMOD!! YES! Front Wheel Drive!!

[MicroRCracer]

Another thing a Mini-Z will never have...
This is for those interested in converting your Xmod into a FWD. Yes, front wheel drive!! Now, I have three XMod Supras!! AWD, RWD, and now front wheel drive. I love all of the different drive characteristics that they have!!

Here is what you ahave to do.. I used the 5 yellow bushings for spacers to replace the rear diff.. It's amazing of how much low end front wheel drive torgue the car has epecially racing on carpet. Reminds me of the real import Honda dragsters take off when racing for 1/4 mile time on a track. Handling handles just like a real FWD car, kinda like an RSX or Civic.

Please refer to the picture below..:p

[wasuri]

CREATIVE!! MAD PROPS!!! If i get a revell body crx im going to make it FWD just to simulate the real thing....mad props man!!

[Bad Company]

Good work. After that, all you did was install the front end of the AWD kit? Did you have to do anything different?

[4G63T]

cool:eek: :)

[cyrc]

awsome!!!

[Bad Company]

I think I'm going to do this to one of my Civics. It would make it more realistic, and I'm looking foreward to seeing how different it handles.

[TypeZer0]

people have done this before. i know i have. i suggest the limited slip ball diff up front. oh yeah, u know those pins that holds on the front wheels that you gotta remove to fit in the AWD kit? try fitting it on the rear wheels instead.

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

is it necessary to have 5 bushings in the back?

[Alex]

damnit i thought about this and posted it on MZR.com and someone took the idea! crap..

[_revhards13]

No, you dont need the bushings mine is running fine fwd without the bushings... lol... waht a poonkall you have to do is put the little bar back in

[token5gtd]

haha, thats sweet, im def gonna do that to one of my rsx's and civics

[Nathan]

If you've ever dropped the clutch anywhere above 2000 RPMs in a real FWD car, you know how the traction is:D . I drive a civic- I know.

I've seen FWD dragsters too-I'd like to know how they do it.

My FWD XMOD cracks me up. It does some mad burnouts in my garage, and even understeered into a wall:D .

[_revhards13]

Originally posted by Nathan
If you've ever dropped the clutch anywhere above 2000 RPMs in a real FWD car, you know how the traction is:D . I drive a civic- I know.

I've seen FWD dragsters too-I'd like to know how they do it.

My FWD XMOD cracks me up. It does some mad burnouts in my garage, and even understeered into a wall:D .

its a RF... very strange and not in any real car in the world closest to it is a MF... which is extremley rare!

FF=Front engine FWD
FR=Front engine RWD
MF=Midengine FWD
MR=Midengine RWD
RF=RearEngine RWD

[MicroRCracer]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TypeZer0
people have done this before. i know i have. i suggest the limited slip ball diff up front. oh yeah, u know those pins that holds on the front wheels that you gotta remove to fit in the AWD kit? try fitting it on the rear wheels instead. [/QUOTE

Ive already used the front stock gear diff for drag racing, but i recommend using the ball diff for better handling. Either way is OK depending on what type of FWD racing you are going to do. And, oh yeah, Ive tried using the two pins at first and dont recommend it.. With your idea Ive noticed that there's too much freeplay with the wheels and didnt want the hassle to find other spacers to support the pins to the wheels to prevent the wheeble-wobble of having an unbalanced rotating tire(s).. Plus, its a hassle when you want to switch over to AWD or RWD. My way so far is the most convenient way (since it just replaces the rear diff) along with having the rear rotational stability of the wheels.;)

[TypeZer0]

i think you mean use the stock gear diff for better handling cuz the limited slip is the ball diff

[Murcielago659]

I'm still trying to figure out WHY you would want a fwd ANYTHING.

[mbartell]

gotta agree with that one.

Wow, it's uncontrollable and don't turn worth a flip! Yee haw.

I guess there are people out there that just like it that way.

What is the turning radius like?

[viperkilla]

Originally posted by Bad Company
I think I'm going to do this to one of my Civics. It would make it more realistic, and I'm looking foreward to seeing how different it handles.

You just took the words out of my mouth.:D

[scrody]

since im kinda new to xmods do you have 2 have an awd kit to make this run fwd?

[4G63T]

Originally posted by scrody
since im kinda new to xmods do you have 2 have an awd kit to make this run fwd?

yes you do

[MicroRCracer]

the handling and drifting is considerably great!! handles like a real fwd civic or RSX off the turns. Drifts pretty well also, but not as good as the AWD Kit.

[txbart]

FWD on a Supra?! That's blasphemy!! But still creative. I'd like to know though if the AWD kit is a gear diff or Ball Diff?

[Murcielago659]

AWD has a ball diff for the rear and a gear diff for the front.

[4G63T]

sorry....but whats the difference between those two
thanks

[XMODADDICT]

gear diff runs smooth; ball diff adds somewhat of limited slip

[4G63T]

o ok thanks

[XMODADDICT]

anytime... i knew some one that used to drive a talon... then he got an eclipse... have fun w/ your talon

[4G63T]

well my is actually 92 talon tsi awd but its convesrion to 94 eclipse gsx:p

[NovaDK]

carpet. Reminds me of the real import Honda dragsters take off when racing for 1/4 mile time on a track The import drags are booooring, now if you can get one to launch like a rwd domestic then we'll be talking :D now this IS torque :eek:

http://members.cox.net/june1967/camarowheelie

http://members.cox.net/madhatter24/mustangwheelie

toyota supra what?

http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/69z_supra.wmv

http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/are_rapid_951.wmv

[Nathan]

What about Import Drag with skylines, supras, and Nissan Zs? They ARE RWD\AWD.

FWD cars can go fast, especially when they don't need to go straight real fast. They excel at non-american styles of racing, like touring. When properly set up, a FWD car can be decent at drag, but it really isn't thier thing.

Remember- there is more to racing than going straight really fast:D .

[NovaDK]

yeah I know but he was talking about drag racing so my response was towrds drag racing. The only sport I dont see much domestic involvement is rally racing it seams alway to be imports. I love auto racing scca, irl, baja, v-8 supercars, imsa and so on. I never seen an import have so much torque where the whole front end lifts in the air, 2jz-gt (supra inline 6) has a very strong bottom end the highest hp is 1236 horsepower, the most hp from a cobra stock bottom end has been 1389 hp. I never will like FWD since they came out for people that cant drive and you cannot build hp from a fwd tranny set up without blowing the trans up, some of the supra guys use the GM th350 hydroglide auto tranny opposed to the toyota trans. After Im don ewith my firebird build (350 chevy 450hp 700hp wih nitrous) Im going to build a nissan 240 sx with afully built sr20 swap set for drifting competition.

[charliebrown]

Originally posted by MicroRCracer
Another thing a Mini-Z will never have...
This is for those interested in converting your Xmod into a FWD. Yes, front wheel drive!! Now, I have three XMod Supras!! AWD, RWD, and now front wheel drive. I love all of the different drive characteristics that they have!!

Here is what you ahave to do.. I used the 5 yellow bushings for spacers to replace the rear diff.. It's amazing of how much low end front wheel drive torgue the car has epecially racing on carpet. Reminds me of the real import Honda dragsters take off when racing for 1/4 mile time on a track. Handling handles just like a real FWD car, kinda like an RSX or Civic.

Please refer to the picture below..:p

I don't mean to put you down or anything....but I prefer sticking with the RWD as it is. See, with RWD you get sharper turns, which is useful for drifting. AWD decreases the turning radius, and FWD will decrease it even more. So, I still prefer to race with RWD. No offense man, just my $.02.

Chuckster...

[Mr BigShot]

Come on how long do think this will last lol Those crappy plastic parts can't handle the abuse of just driving around . My .02

[SKYHIGH]

Hey MrBigShot you should really consider not hating on everybody eles stuff. Thats all you ever post is crap. If you're so good and such a MrBigShot go on to bigger better things. Just my $.02.

Also, I have the FWD set-up on my Rsx and it has a smaller turning radius thean the awd on my skyline. I think it is because the rear wheels aren't pushing it any more. On our garage floor it will slip just enough and then get traction to finish the turns on our track.

[newbitowner]

I'd attempt to make my car FWD if it was suppose to be FWD.

__________XMOD__________

yellow Skyline

RS rubber tires

RS metal bearings

RS stage 2 motors

IC-3 AAA's

extremely hard front springs from 1:18 Maisto die-cast

[Joey]

Well sure, completely understandable if you're doing it to a Civic or RSX. I assumed those were front-wheel drive to being with, anyway; apparently not.

I tried making a FWD Civic out of Legos once...Legos and two motors I tore out of a New Bright C4 Corvette. It didn't turn at all - wouldn't FWD give you a really terrible steering problem with XMODS? All the weight is behind the drive wheels, and they've got to handle twice the work.

[nobodyhere962]

Originally posted by Nathan
If you've ever dropped the clutch anywhere above 2000 RPMs in a real FWD car, you know how the traction is:D . I drive a civic- I know.

I've seen FWD dragsters too-I'd like to know how they do it.

My FWD XMOD cracks me up. It does some mad burnouts in my garage, and even understeered into a wall:D .

the dragsters use wheelie bars to keep them from losing traction

[Joey]

That, and the engine is meticulously balanced right where it'll allow for the most downward force on the front wheels. That's the point of FWD anyway.

[nobodyhere962]

Originally posted by Joey
That, and the engine is meticulously balanced right where it'll allow for the most downward force on the front wheels. That's the point of FWD anyway.

yeah that too

[NovaDK]

the dragsters use wheelie bars to keep them from losing traction What the heck are you talking about? The reason why dragsters have wheelie bars is that they have So much torque when the big slicks grab the car would could basically flip its self over basically ALL the cars weight is over the back 2 tires. The FWD dragsters use em because they dont have the ability to shift the weigh to the rear to keep traction so it basiclly makes a longer wheel base for more weight to balance over the front end. If you watch a RWD car launch off the line the car will squat on the rear tires giving it better grip, on a FWD the tire just spin causing no traction and a small chirp is heard.

That, and the engine is meticulously balanced right where it'll allow for the most downward force on the front wheels. That's the point of FWD anyway. The point and reason of a FWD car was most people cannot drive in rainy or snowy condidtions and that they thought by placing the weight over the front tires it would help the dummies out. I have drivin FWD in the snow and would take a RWD anyday of the week since I can add as much weight to the back end a s possible, and I know how to drive. Besdes ALL supercar or highperformance cars are RWD or midrear engine RWD why would that be? O yea RWD is better for performance cars the list, Corvette, GT40, Ferraris(sp), Porsch, Supra, Skyline r33, BMW's, Mr2, S2000, Lambo, Eris, Super 7, Camaro/firebird, GN, Mustang, Viper, nascar Even the V-8 super cars take a stock FWD and make it into a RWD.

[NovaDK]

What about Import Drag with skylines, supras, and Nissan Zs? They ARE RWD\AWD.

FWD cars can go fast, especially when they don't need to go straight real fast. They excel at non-american styles of racing, like touring. When properly set up, a FWD car can be decent at drag, but it really isn't thier thing.

Remember- there is more to racing than going straight really fast They Do drag race with RWD Imports as well and I have seen em with wheelie bars to keep the traction. This is what you ment by touring cars right? http://www.eurostc.com/ G all those are rear wheel drive ALL motorsports are almost aways RWD Indy, KART, IRL, nasecar, v-8 super cars, drift cars everything minus the scca and other smaller budget form of racing. Basically all FWD cars of today are mainly for economy cars, I dont consider 14 seconds in the quater mile with upgrade fast but for a honda it is?

[Joey]

So, you don't like front-wheel-drive. I think I got it. I never said that it was at all faster than RWD; it sounded like you thought I may have said that.

[NovaDK]

Originally posted by Joey
So, you don't like front-wheel-drive. I think I got it. I never said that it was at all faster than RWD; it sounded like you thought I may have said that. Now are you talking the real cars or xmods? For real cars RWD is better than FWD For the mini stuff I would say AWD or RWD, I will have to try the FWD to see how it is.

[Joey]

I think what it comes down to is the weight transfer to the rear under any forward acceleration, which is what we think of as speed, and it happens just the same in any size vehicle. Simple physics. In tiny RC cars, the shift is a whole lot less accented, so there's not as much of a difference. In my experience, the only thing better about FWD for small cars is accelerating uphill; and even that doesn't totally make sense to me, but that's how it's been with the FWD stuff I've seen. AWD is better than either for pretty much anything, save drifting, but only if you've got grip - which XMODS don't.

For real cars, I prefer RWD to anything else, simply because it's the most fun. But I've never been one to push cars much.

[Darklancer]

That's Very interesting, I don't think I'd do it tho, it ruins drifting ability in cars and after all, drifting is the fastest known way to corner

[Joey]

Originally posted by Darklancer
...after all, drifting is the fastest known way to corner.
Ok..I'm not going to be the one to start it, but I can tell you that there is a lot to be said for both the validity and the invalidity of that very statement. Don't be surprised if someone contests that.
;)

[NovaDK]

Originally posted by Darklancer
That's Very interesting, I don't think I'd do it tho, it ruins drifting ability in cars and after all, drifting is the fastest known way to corner Kindof like how the fastest way between 2 points is a giant circle.

[spitty12]

This reminds me of the time I was told that a Super chager develops power by making the belts spin faster. I just laughed and let it go so he could make a fool out of him self again.

[Vagabond]

Drifting is not the fastest way into a corner. If you have a good racing line, then grip driving will be faster than drifting. Anyway, there's basically 2 type of drifts, 2 wheels and 4 wheels drift. 4 wheels drift is faster compared to 2 wheels drift. Rally drivers uses drifts and power slides because there's not enough traction in those terrain for grip driving. Drifting can be spectacular... but it's slower than grip driving.

[adiosk8r13]

once I get my 4WD kit I will make it 2WD and put it on my rsx so it will be more realistic and I could probably beat my friends in drift matches

[Darklancer]

For the record, Drifting IS the fastest known way to corner if u do it right, let me explain to u how.

It's called power of momentum. When you use racing line cornering you must slow your car to a speed which will allow the proper turning radius, you also travel a longer distance to complete the turn. However, when you use the power of drifting you use the momentum of your car to defy friction, which in some terms to people would normally mean the car spins out, but, when the proper technique is used, you can maintain nearly complete controll of a car. Now, to explain how drifting is faster.
When you work into a drift, you must gain the highest speed you can to get the right amount of momentum, when you approach the turn you would quickly countersteer and let off the accelerator, then pull your car into the turn, at the point when the back end of your car has the most (centrifical) force applied to it, you hit the accelerator, thus causing the wheels to loose grip of the road (which is why most drift cars have powerful, high torque engines) other people use the e-brake, but that ruins the transmission, you then once again countersteer so your front wheels do not slide, giving you controll of your car (this is why all wheel drive is not good for drifting, as it would pull your car forward, thus straightening the car). Once you approach the end of the curb, you straighten out your car and let off the accelerator, putting friction back to the rear wheels, you then (once your car is straight with the end of the curb) apply the accelerator, propelling you out of the curb. This, in turn, gives you a higher entering, turning, and exiting speed, and also gives you a shorter turning distance (Which is variable because you can drift at the center, middle, or end of the curb), thus making it the fastest, AND most effective way to corner.

[NovaDK]

A) How old and what grade are you in?
B) been watching/hangin around ricers to much
C) What kind of crack are you smoking?

Name One type of REAL racing on tarmac use drift? Drifting=all show no go

[Joey]

Originally posted by Darklancer
When you use racing line cornering you must slow your car to a speed which will allow the proper turning radius, you also travel a longer distance to complete the turn.
Originally posted by NovaDK
What kind of crack are you smoking?

Tires don't live forever, either.

[spitty12]

LMFAO darklancer keep the good stuff coming. Your post is wrong in so many ways I'm not going to try to explain it. Racing line is always fastest on road. Go do some reading or testing and figure it out man. What are your qualifications that make you the authority on this?

[MicroSpeed]

Originally posted by adiosk8r13
once I get my 4WD kit I will make it 2WD and put it on my rsx so it will be more realistic and I could probably beat my friends in drift matches

We'll see about that:D

[Darklancer]

I Have my sources for my opinions, and I haven't seen any of yours. How about you explain to me how RL Cornering is faster than drifting, and then tell it to the people who win races drifting every day, AND explain to me why it is the most popular form of racing in the world today?

P.S. My sources Include:
-Motor Trend
-GT I, II, And III
-Personal friends
-Professional Street-Racers
-Online Databases from LT Tests
-NFSU

These sources ALL explain why and how drifting is faster that RL Cornering:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Joey]

It is no less than hilarious that you list a video game about ricer cars as a viable source of information regarding real-life physics of real-life driving. And for that, ha. The Gran Turismo series, while mind-bendingly realistic in terms of virtual reality, is not the same as driving a car.

Drifting is the most popular form of 'racing' in the world today because it's fun to watch as well as perform. Popular culture, my friend, wants little more than to be pandered to. It's a lot more exciting to see someone sliding through a turn (for most people between the ages of fourteen and sixty) than it is to see someone apex the line over the same turn. It's just as difficult, just as honorable, and just as demanding, it's just not faster, that's all. Don't get offended because it's not the professional approach or anything.

If you're so obsessed with the Japanese, have a sit and watch a Grand Touring Championship - tell me how many of those cars drift on purpose, and actually benefit from it. The races people win by drifting are the races in which drifting is the mian focus.

Front-wheel-drive XMODS are neat.
I declare this post relevant.
:D

[Darklancer]

*Sigh* Whatever, you think what you want, this whole argument is foolish and frankly I'm damn tired of it. I'll stop if u ppl will.

[kasper01001]

I just gotta get this off my chest, I agree with both sides, Drifting is good for cornering, I have tried it before while cornering and I can say its fast, But I noticed after only a few drifts the threads on my car was almost completely gone :eek: , In conclusion the Profesional racers don't drift while cornering because i'll waist the thread, even if they have slicks, yea Drifting is kool but, u can't get to the finish line with no grip on your tires :D :cool:

OK, i'll stop now lol

[Darklancer]

Kasper I think u got it. I never said it didn't thrash on ur tires, hell it thrashes tires worse than I thrash on my guitar!:D Which is why alot of ppl who do it have either alot of money, or alot of sponsors, so they can get new tires.

[spitty12]

Lancer give it up. Pro street racers? LOL. Personal friends can be idiots and most of you know this. NFSU is just a ricer game that is really bad in the realism department, I find it to be a horribly annoying game. I've been into autox'ing and racing and have studied the racing line and the physics behind it. Yes, you think you carry momentum through the turn sliding wheels do not have nearly the same traction as normal cornering and you still have to slow for drifting.

Kasper what are your qualifications? How old are you kids?

Here are a few things I found on the net to back me up:

"Although sliding sideways, with the tail of the car hanging out and the steering in full opposite lock, looks spectacular, it’s slow. And it causes excessive tire wear."


Check out this forum on the racing line the fastest way to corner:
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-30337.html

[Darklancer]

hmm...I wonder why every1 else stopped the whole thin but u, spitty, maybe it's because ur 2 damn STUBBORN. Dude, let it go, geez.

[Bad Company]

This has gone on long enough. Lets try to keep these things on the topic of the Xmods drifting. If you want to discuss real life cars, use the appropiate forum.